Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

so sub is a warship  too?

@Amon-Sul:

so sub is a warship  too?

Sure, see

@rulebook:

Sea Units
Battleships, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, and transports move, attack, and defend in sea zones. They
can’t move into territories. For the sake of these rules, the following are surface warships: battleships, carriers, cruisers, and
destroyers. Transports are not warships. Submarines are warships, but they are not surface warships.

Got a G40 2nd edition home rule, need an opinion. Me and my cousins decided that it doesn’t make sense that AAA can’t fire during strategic bombings so we started to role 1 die for each AAA present. Is this sensible?

@Fernado475:

Got a G40 2nd edition home rule, need an opinion. Me and my cousins decided that it doesn�t make sense that AAA can�t fire during strategic bombings so we started to role 1 die for each AAA present. Is this sensible?

In G40, ICs and facilities have inbuilt AA instead of needing to position an AA gun in the territory. I personally think this rule change has gone in the wrong direction. The problem with one earlier rule is that an AA Gun still fired on escorting fighters. That was a bit unfair.

The built-in AA for facilities means there is always AA fire against strategic bombers on bombing runs.  I’m wondering if you guys were unaware of this rule?  With an AA shot against every single strat bomber on every run, it would be excessive to add AAA units to the defense.

During the non-combat move phase, may air units fly over a territory that was friendly neutral but made allied during the same phase?

For example, Itlay moves a ground unit into Iraq to take control of it.  May Italy also fly over Iraq in the same non-combat move phase? (but land elsewhere)

The rules say you may not fly over a friendly neutral, but also say that moving a land unit into the territory ends its neutrality.

There’s also this phrase which talks about not moving “through” friendly neutrals, but could be taken as referring to land units specifically:
“They can be moved into (but not through) as a noncombat move by land units of a power that is at war”

@Tizkit:

During the non-combat move phase, may air units fly over a territory that was friendly neutral but made allied during the same phase?

For example, Itlay moves a ground unit into Iraq to take control of it.  May Italy also fly over Iraq in the same non-combat move phase? (but land elsewhere)

No, because:

@rulebook:

A power may not attack a friendly neutral nor fly air
units over it. However, a power that is at war may move
land units into (but not through) a friendly neutral as a
noncombat move (see “Noncombat Move,” page 21). This
moves the territory out of its neutral status at the end of the
Noncombat Move phase.
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HTH :-)

@P@nther:

@Tizkit:

During the non-combat move phase, may air units fly over a territory that was friendly neutral but made allied during the same phase?

For example, Itlay moves a ground unit into Iraq to take control of it.  May Italy also fly over Iraq in the same non-combat move phase? (but land elsewhere)

No, because:

@rulebook:

A power may not attack a friendly neutral nor fly air
units over it. However, a power that is at war may move
land units into (but not through) a friendly neutral as a
noncombat move (see “Noncombat Move,” page 21). This
moves the territory out of its neutral status at the end of the
Noncombat Move phase.
…

HTH :-)

i thought that only anzac can land planes on dutch lands in ncm

@Amon-Sul:

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i thought that only anzac can land planes on dutch lands in ncm

This case is different: Holland is not a friendly neutral, so this scenario actually is unrelated to Tizkit’s question.

Every Ally may land planes on Dutch territories in NCM provided those territories have not been captured by the Axis and have been friendly from the beginning of the turn. It is only UK and Anzac that may bring land units into friendly Dutch territories during NCM to take control.

Please see this clarification of Dutch rules: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.msg1115406#msg1115406

@P@nther:

@Amon-Sul:

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i thought that only anzac can land planes on dutch lands in ncm

This case is different: Holland is not a friendly neutral, so this scenario actually is unrelated to Tizkit’s question.

Every Ally may land planes on Dutch territories in NCM provided those territories have not been captured by the Axis and have been friendly from the beginning of the turn. It is only UK and Anzac that may bring land units into friendly Dutch territories during NCM to take control.

Please see this clarification of Dutch rules: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.msg1115406#msg1115406

but what about Italy and Iraq, are they the same like ANZAC and Dutch?

@Amon-Sul:

@P@nther:

@Amon-Sul:

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i thought that only anzac can land planes on dutch lands in ncm

This case is different: Holland is not a friendly neutral, so this scenario actually is unrelated to Tizkit’s question.

Every Ally may land planes on Dutch territories in NCM provided those territories have not been captured by the Axis and have been friendly from the beginning of the turn. It is only UK and Anzac that may bring land units into friendly Dutch territories during NCM to take control.

Please see this clarification of Dutch rules: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.msg1115406#msg1115406

but what about Italy and Iraq, are they the same like ANZAC and Dutch?

No, they are not. Iraq is a pro-axis neutral. So the respective rules apply.
In Tizkit’s scenario  Italy moves land units into Iraq during NCM to control IRAQ (and “activating” IRAQ’s units for Italy). Italy cannot land air units there until next turn’s NCM phase.

Unless Iraq has been previously unsuccessfully attacked by the Allies.

@simon33:

Unless Iraq has been previously unsuccessfully attacked by the Allies.

In that case Tizkit’s scenario could not have occurred:

@Tizkit:

During the non-combat move phase, may air units fly over a territory that was friendly neutral but made allied during the same phase?

For example, Itlay moves a ground unit into Iraq to take control of it.  May Italy also fly over Iraq in the same non-combat move phase? (but land elsewhere)

I see what you’re saying. The question would not have arisen in that scenario - you could just fly over it regardless of it being claimed in the NCM.

@P@nther:

Every Ally may land planes on Dutch territories in NCM provided those territories have not been captured by the Axis and have been friendly from the beginning of the turn. It is only UK and Anzac that may bring land units into friendly Dutch territories during NCM to take control.

Please see this clarification of Dutch rules: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.msg1115406#msg1115406

Just to be clear, any Allied power at war may move land units into uncaptured Dutch territories, but only UK and ANZAC may take control of them by doing so.

@Krieghund:

@P@nther:

Every Ally may land planes on Dutch territories in NCM provided those territories have not been captured by the Axis and have been friendly from the beginning of the turn. It is only UK and Anzac that may bring land units into friendly Dutch territories during NCM to take control.

Please see this clarification of Dutch rules: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.msg1115406#msg1115406

Just to be clear, any Allied power at war may move land units into uncaptured Dutch territories, but only UK and ANZAC may take control of them by doing so.

Yes, as “Dutch territories are treated in the same way as any Allied territories whose capital is held by an enemy power …, with the exception of the guardianship of United Kingdom and ANZAC…” (rulebook, Pacific 1940.2, page 9).

This is kind of weird, and I think I’m just missing the obvious, but is this allowed?

Germany declares war on Russia turn two and takes Ukraine turn three.
Japan stays neutral to the West but attacks Russia and takes Yunnan.  On turn two a Japanese bomber parks in Yunnan.  On turn three Japan bombs Stalingrad and lands in German-controlled Ukraine.
Later on turn three, the UK wants to attack the poorly defended bomber in Ukraine with air units.

First of all, can Japan land in German-controlled territories (or Italian for that matter) as long as Japan is at war with the Soviets (and so is the European axis power)?

Second, does the UK have to declare war on Japan in order to attack a Japanese bomber in Ukraine?  Not that it really matters anyway.

@Charles:

This is kind of weird, and I think I’m just missing the obvious, but is this allowed?

Germany declares war on Russia turn two and takes Ukraine turn three.
Japan stays neutral to the West but attacks Russia and takes Yunnan.  On turn two a Japanese bomber parks in Yunnan.  On turn three Japan bombs Stalingrad and lands in German-controlled Ukraine.
Later on turn three, the UK wants to attack the poorly defended bomber in Ukraine with air units.

First of all, can Japan land in German-controlled territories (or Italian for that matter) as long as Japan is at war with the Soviets (and so is the European axis power)?

Second, does the UK have to declare war on Japan in order to attack a Japanese bomber in Ukraine?  Not that it really matters anyway.

The UK would have to declare war to attack the Ukraine.  Pg 14 “Powers Not at War with One Another” says “A power can’t attack a territory controlled by or containing units belonging to a power with which it is not at war.”

Japan can land on German/Italian territories and doesn’t appear to need to declare war on Russia or even UK/ANZAC (Pg 35 names them as part of the Axis and Pg 20 specifies 'Units on the same side can share a territory or sea zone)

@weddingsinger:

Japan can land on German/Italian territories and doesn’t appear to need to declare war on Russia or even UK/ANZAC (Pg 35 names them as part of the Axis and Pg 20 specifies 'Units on the same side can share a territory or sea zone)

That’s correct, in theory. In practice, however, Japan can’t get a bomber to Ukraine without declaring war on someone, as the Japanese bomber wouldn’t be allowed to fly over Russian or UK Pacific territory and land in Ukraine without a DoW. The Soviet Union political situation (p.36-37) and Powers Not at War with One Another (p.15) shed light on the subject.

@Charles:

This is kind of weird, and I think I’m just missing the obvious, but is this allowed?

Germany declares war on Russia turn two and takes Ukraine turn three.
Japan stays neutral to the West but attacks Russia and takes Yunnan.  On turn two a Japanese bomber parks in Yunnan.  On turn three Japan bombs Stalingrad and lands in German-controlled Ukraine.
Later on turn three, the UK wants to attack the poorly defended bomber in Ukraine with air units.

First of all, can Japan land in German-controlled territories (or Italian for that matter) as long as Japan is at war with the Soviets (and so is the European axis power)?

Yes.  Russia is neutral on neither map, and Japan and Germany are allies as they are both at war with Russia.

Second, does the UK have to declare war on Japan in order to attack a Japanese bomber in Ukraine?  Not that it really matters anyway.

Yes.  You can never attack a territory that has units of a power with which you are not at war.