Hi Surfnrat.
You my get one Bombardment, if only one ground unit is assaulting amphibiously.
If the defending Inf hits, it hits the ground unit. Never a Battleship.
I think i read somewhere that in this faq only as much battleships can fire as inf. attacks, but if you read only the rules there is no restriction on it
Europe Rulebook, page 18:
The number of ships that can make bombardment attacks is limited to 1 ship per land unit being offloaded from the transports in that coastal territory.
When Soviet Union is at war, can they move 1 tank during the non-combat phase through northwest Persia into Persia and claim both territories? I thought I read here somewhere that it was possible because Northwest Pesria has no standing army to block the tank and thereby forcing it to stop.
@Young:
When Soviet Union is at war, can they move 1 tank during the non-combat phase through northwest Persia into Persia and claim both territories? I thought I read here somewhere that it was possible because Northwest Pesria has no standing army to block the tank and thereby forcing it to stop.
no this cannot happen because nw persia is a pro-allied neutral.
You can blitz pro-the other side neutrals that have no armies, but not pro-your side. The rationale is something about peacefully establishing yourself there - diplomatic relations and stuff.
The first you can fly over a neutral is in the non-combat movement phase of the turn you attacked that neutral - that is, while Germany cannot fly over Spain during the combat move of this turn (other than to attack it), Germany CAN fly over Spain during the noncombat phase of this turn, because Spain is no longer neutral after Germany attacks Spain in that combat move with other units.
Where does it say that in the rules? If you are attacking Spain then you can fly over it, according to the rules. Where does it stipulate that you cannot fly over it in that combat phase, only non-combat?
Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase. That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
@IKE:
If you are attacking Spain then you can fly over it, according to the rules. Where does it stipulate that you cannot fly over it in that combat phase, only non-combat?
It does seem you can interpret that rule more than one way. It means that you can fly over it only to attack it - it doesn’t mean you can fly other planes over it at the same time en route to a different destination. We know this because Krieghund has clarified it for us.
You can fly over it in the noncombat phase because at the beginning of the phase it was an enemy territory - it was not a neutral. At the beginning of the combat movement phase, it was neutral.
Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase. That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
Yes, Krieghund told us.
Thanks. That rule is certainly not cut and dry the way the rule-book is written but good to know the intent.
@IKE:
If you are attacking Spain then you can fly over it, according to the rules. Where does it stipulate that you cannot fly over it in that combat phase, only non-combat?
It does seem you can interpret that rule more than one way. It means that you can fly over it only to attack it - it doesn’t mean you can fly other planes over it at the same time en route to a different destination. We know this because Krieghund has clarified it for us.
You can fly over it in the noncombat phase because at the beginning of the phase it was an enemy territory - it was not a neutral. At the beginning of the combat movement phase, it was neutral.Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase. That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
Yes, Krieghund told us.
But doesn’t the rulebook also say you can’t fly over pro-enemy neutrals unless you’re attacking it? Wouldn’t that mean that you can only fly planes to and from a battle there, not that you can fly planes from elsewhere over it in noncombat?
But doesn’t the rulebook also say you can’t fly over pro-enemy neutrals unless you’re attacking it? Wouldn’t that mean that you can only fly planes to and from a battle there, not that you can fly planes from elsewhere over it in noncombat?
No. See the rulebook:
@rulebook:
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When a neutral territory is invaded, it’s no longer considered
neutral and immediately becomes part of the alliance
opposing the power that attacked it.
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So in NCM the territory is either captured or hostile.
@IKE:
If you are attacking Spain then you can fly over it, according to the rules. Where does it stipulate that you cannot fly over it in that combat phase, only non-combat?
It does seem you can interpret that rule more than one way. It means that you can fly over it only to attack it - it doesn’t mean you can fly other planes over it at the same time en route to a different destination. We know this because Krieghund has clarified it for us.
You can fly over it in the noncombat phase because at the beginning of the phase it was an enemy territory - it was not a neutral. At the beginning of the combat movement phase, it was neutral.Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase. That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
Yes, Krieghund told us.
But doesn’t the rulebook also say you can’t fly over pro-enemy neutrals unless you’re attacking it? Wouldn’t that mean that you can only fly planes to and from a battle there, not that you can fly planes from elsewhere over it in noncombat?
calvin…… are you back??? :-o :-D
Calvin,
Rulebook says the rules for strict neutrals are the same as for unfriendly neutrals, yes.
So it doesn’t matter if it’s an unfriendly neutral or a strict neutral - you can’t fly over it except to attack it, when it is neutral. But after the first combat phase where a neutral is attacked, it is no longer neutral as P@nther pointed out.
calvin…… are you back??? :-o :-D
I was going to notify you, but true to Bold form, you saw it within 30 minutes :roll:
@IKE:
Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.  That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
Yes, Krieghund told us.
I don’t see any ambiguity in this rule as written. “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.” This doesn’t give them license to fly over it if other units are attacking it.
So, for example, if Germany attacks Yugoslavia on G1 but does not conquer it, Yugoslavia is no longer neutral. Germany can’t fly air over Yugoslavia in the combat movement phase, but may attack Yugoslavia with aircraft. Then after not conquering Yugoslavia, Germany can freely fly aircraft over Yugoslavia in the noncombat phase, and any other power may fly over Yugoslavia. Also, any non-neutral Allied power may land aircraft in Yugoslavia to join the surviving infantry. Of course, this does not activate Yugoslavia, but the Allies are able to land there once it has been attacked.
It works the same way for strict neutrals.
A country is either neutral or it is not. Once it has been attacked by any unit, it is no longer neutral.
@IKE:
Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.� � That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
Yes, Krieghund told us.
I don’t see any ambiguity in this rule as written. “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.” This doesn’t give them license to fly over it if other units are attacking it.
krieg, are you saying you cannot attack an neutral with a single infantry and then in noncom, fly aircraft over the previously-neutral-but-now-friendly-to-the-other-side territory?
No, that’s not what I’m saying. As Gamerman01 pointed out, at the time of the noncombat movement phase the territory is no longer neutral, so the quoted rule no longer applies and your air units are free to fly over it.
calvin…… are you back??? :-o :-D
Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.
Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.
calvin…… are you back???  :-o :-D
Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.
Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.
C&HL, Don’t you mean 1942?
@Young:
calvin…… are you back???  :-o :-D
Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.
Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.
C&HL, Don’t you mean 1942?
No, I bought 1941, since it was cheap and the simplest game (so the least time spent explaining the rules). I’m considering buying 1942 as well, since once they learn the 1941 rules, there are only a few additional 1942 rules to learn (assuming they like playing A&A).
