2016 League General Discussion Thread

[regularkid]

just kidding. thats a terrible idea. haha

[Shin-Ji]

Seems reasonable enough to me.

[Jennifer]

@regularkid:

just kidding. thats a terrible idea. haha

Is not…

I bid that Berlin starts Russian! (Now THAT’s how you start negotiating an allied bid!)

[MrRoboto]

Where can I get that new balanced mod?

[regularkid]

har it be

G40 Balance Mod.tsvg

[Shin-Ji]

If nothing else, this mod sure is getting some serious stress-testing!  Tons of Balanced Mod games happening right now.

Good branding?  Excellent design?  Baked-in code?  Right time?  Who can say?

But I think it’s safe to say that this mod is a success.  Love the China rules in particular.

[Soulblighter]

Italians need some love.

[gamerman01]

? In the mod?  They get tons of love!  No Allied bid, plus an extra NO, plus the possibility of Vichy France

[Shin-Ji]

I’m still not sure Vichy France helps the Axis.  Generally Normandy doesn’t get taken until G2 anyway.

[gamerman01]

I agree, and I didn’t say it helps the Axis….
It does have the potential to help ITALY a lot though, which is what I WAS saying  :-D  :-)

[Soulblighter]

@Gamerman01:

I agree, and I didn’t say it helps the Axis….
It does have the potential to help ITALY a lot though, which is what I WAS saying  :-D  :-)

Potential yes, but you have to use both german and italian air to do it. You can’t risk capturing southern france. Not sure the risk is worth it?

[MrRoboto]

Why is that? Am I not seeing something?

Taking Normandy and France in G1 is absolutely possible.
Italy can then concentrate on getting Greece+Gibraltar and clearing the Med from British ships.

After that, the French ships turn neutral and all french territories and infantry as well. Which means, Italy is not risking units in North Africa and against the french ships. And French infantry can’t reinforce Egypt. Italy may even get free infantry, which is easily worth the 3 IPC per turn.

[Soulblighter]

@MrRoboto:

Why is that? Am I not seeing something?

Taking Normandy and France in G1 is absolutely possible.
Italy can then concentrate on getting Greece+Gibraltar and clearing the Med from British ships.

After that, the French ships turn neutral and all french territories and infantry as well. Which means, Italy is not risking units in North Africa and against the french ships. And French infantry can’t reinforce Egypt. Italy may even get free infantry, which is easily worth the 3 IPC per turn.

You forget that you need to kill the two frenchies in southern france without capturing it :P.

[Soulblighter]

@Soulblighter:

@MrRoboto:

Why is that? Am I not seeing something?

Taking Normandy and France in G1 is absolutely possible.
Italy can then concentrate on getting Greece+Gibraltar and clearing the Med from British ships.

After that, the French ships turn neutral and all french territories and infantry as well. Which means, Italy is not risking units in North Africa and against the french ships. And French infantry can’t reinforce Egypt. Italy may even get free infantry, which is easily worth the 3 IPC per turn.

You forget that you need to kill the two frenchies in southern france without capturing it :P.

Nevermind. I was testing it and didn’t click far enough :D.

[MrRoboto]

yeah, I just wanted to protest.

As far as I can see it, Vichy is awesome for axis. Getting 2 inf for free in north africa alone is great.

[Soulblighter]

@MrRoboto:

yeah, I just wanted to protest.

As far as I can see it, Vichy is awesome for axis. Getting 2 inf for free in north africa alone is great.

Yet nobody has bothered going for it so far. Everybody I have seen so far has gone for z110 and z111.

[Jennifer]

@Soulblighter:

@MrRoboto:

yeah, I just wanted to protest.

As far as I can see it, Vichy is awesome for axis. Getting 2 inf for free in north africa alone is great.

Yet nobody has bothered going for it so far. Everybody I have seen so far has gone for z110 and z111.

But you still have to clear S. France without taking the territory, right?  So you are risking a fighter or two for a couple infantry in Africa.  Or am I missing something (which is possible.)

[gamerman01]

Axis don’t have to do anything to South France.  Unless UK puts unit(s) there.  That must be what you are thinking of

Vichy isn’t necessarily “awesome” for the Axis.  It is not easy to take Normandy G1 - you have to siphon units from Paris and that could hurt - BAD
Allies can take over several French territories that they wouldn’t be able to before, and one of the huge things is USA can take control of Morocco, Algeria, and that means they can build bases there potentially.  Before Italy could just not take those territories and leave them blue.

Mark my words, it’s just a matter of time before everyone realizes that the Allies were given way too much in this scenario and we will be bidding away Allied NO’s.  By the handful.

[Soulblighter]

@Gamerman01:

Axis don’t have to do anything to South France.  Unless UK puts unit(s) there.  That must be what you are thinking of

Vichy isn’t necessarily “awesome” for the Axis.  It is not easy to take Normandy G1 - you have to siphon units from Paris and that could hurt - BAD
Allies can take over several French territories that they wouldn’t be able to before, and one of the huge things is USA can take control of Morocco, Algeria, and that means they can build bases there potentially.  Before Italy could just not take those territories and leave them blue.

Mark my words, it’s just a matter of time before everyone realizes that the Allies were given way too much in this scenario and we will be bidding away Allied NO’s.  By the handful.

@Soulblighter:

@Gamerman01:

Great news is they’re all coded in.  In my 3 1/2 rounds we never had to use edit mode to fit the new rules…
Since Kid already locked in his bid for our re-match I will tell you that if I were you I’d bid to take the Allies and give up NO’s.

What I mean:
I’ll take the Allies and give up the Indian Ocean sub NO.

Opponent:
No, I’ll take the Allies and I’ll give up the Indian Ocean sub NO AND the new ANZAC UK island NO (Samoa, Gilbert…)

etc.
Or I guess small bids like you say

Basically the allies are stronger in this version and you need to bid for the axis :P. In a year or so bids of 28 for the axis :D.

^. Also I feel the biggest culprits are the new NO’s given to the UK and China. The chinese one in particular can be bad for the Japanese as they are basically forced to leave more troops behind then they otherwise would be doing. I am referring to the chinese infantry that can pop up in non coastal tt’s. Or they are forced to build more mechanized infantry and spread them out. This is just at first glance. I haven’t bothered playing with the damn thing (yet).

[Giallo]

In the modgame do the other NO still count as long as they haven’t been adjusted, so for example no allied ships in the meds still gives italy 5 pu?