G4 2nd ed., no tech: Aev&Wittman vs. Dan&Rasmus

[Witt]

Hi Dane . Hope you have been well.
The 72 hour rule is of for League games. This is a friendly one. Don’t worry.

[danejstrup]

OK great, thanks for the clarification and the large attitude. Of course, take your time with your moves as well, if you occasionally prefer so. Yes, I am fine thanks. Nice with summer, good weather, World Cup, Wimbledon etc., too many good things to choose from  :-)

[danejstrup]

By the way, regarding Axis and Allies I am currently wondering about something, perhaps you guys have an opinion?

I am considering to just play low Luck games for a while. I know I have limited experiece to judge from. However, out of my first 3 ongoing games it seems like the dice have severely skewed two of them early and that the dice have been the major cause of unbalancing the game early. One game is the one with you guys, to me it seems like Rasmus and I have had extremely lucky dice from early. In another game I actually surrendered as axis after Italy 1 because of horrible dice in each turn, the position seemed close to hopeless even that early (in another game I surrendered as allies after Italy 1, but that was because I made a total fuck up and lett axis take and hold Egypt easily, had nothing to do with unlucky dice).

I guess my question is: How often do the dice severely unbalance the game early? 50% More? Less? Your best guess percentagewise? Personally I think I would prefer low luck games most of the time, unless that number is no more than 10-20% at the most. As mentioned, I suspect that number to be much higher.

By the way, even if I would prefer low luck games for a while, it would probably change along the way. Just think it would feel nice to get a feel of what “normal” games are like at first. The dice seem to often make it somewhat difficult to gain experience at “normal” games.

[Witt]

Morning Dane.
Everyone who plays AAA seems to have a problem with Marti and the dice rolls. I see weird things, but take them in my stride. I am not unduly bothered and do not want to play Low Luck, but that is just me.

[danejstrup]

Just wanted to mention that worst case is that it might be a week or so untill we make our next move. Perhaps much sooner though, but hard to tell. I am in Copehagen for a short stay untill start of next week (I am Danish, but live in Norway currently). It is possible that I meet up with Rasmus who also lives in Copenhagen, and that we might make the move then. But unsure, hard to tell what time we have on our hands. I am sorry that we are so slow currently, hope to improve it a bit along the way.

[Witt]

Again, do not worry. Spend time with friends and family.

[aequitas-et-veritas]

No Problem. Enjoy your time in Copenhagen!

[danejstrup]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 bomber and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
            1 infantry moved from Kenya to Belgian Congo
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Alexandria to Belgian Congo
            1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Greece to 99 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Tunisia to 94 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 94 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
                  Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Egypt
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry; British defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians win, taking Egypt from British with 2 armour and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 2 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Belgian Congo
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians win, taking Belgian Congo from British with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for British: 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Belgian Congo to Alexandria
            1 fighter moved from Belgian Congo to Kenya
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
                  Italians take Iraq from Neutral_Axis
            2 fighters moved from Egypt to Libya
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            1 aaGun moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia

Place Units - Italians
            1 bomber and 1 infantry placed in Southern Italy
            6 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs total
            Objective Italians 3 North Africa: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 33 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 43 PUs

[danejstrup]

At last we stopped hybernating and made a move. Sorry about the delay.

[danejstrup]

By the way, doesn’t French West Africa belong to France? A bug in the program when USA liberated French West Africa?

[Witt]

Have forgotten what happened in this game.
If you (Axis) captured the territory from France and US recaptured it, US now owns it. Not France.
Is the same with Normandy, S France, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia.
Has always been like that with A&A.

[Witt]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Queensland to 42 Sea Zone

[Witt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Queensland to 42 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                ANZAC attack with 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                Units damaged: 2 carriers owned by the Japanese
                Japanese win with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 fighters and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -42
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 tactical_bombers
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters and 1 submarine
                2 fighters owned by the Japanese forced to land in Java

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    54 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    62 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 53
    Russians : 36 / 37
    Japanese : 57 / 67
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 7 / 9
    British : 24 / 18
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 6
    Italians : 26 / 43
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[Witt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  British take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to French Equatorial Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

United Kingdom : 2 infantry
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 infantry
    French Equatorial Africa : 1 fighter
    76 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 53
    Russians : 36 / 37
    Japanese : 57 / 67
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 7 / 9
    British : 25 / 18
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 6
    Italians : 25 / 43
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[danejstrup]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 2 infantry, 9 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 104 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 104 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                retreated to 104 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 105 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
            2 bombers moved from Alexandria to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            2 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            6 aaGuns, 13 artilleries, 26 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            3 armour moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            11 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            3 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
            4 infantry moved from Finland to Norway

Place Units - Germans
            9 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
            1 transport placed in 112 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs

[danejstrup]

Thanks for the clarification regarding the France rules

[Witt]

No problem. I love rules!

I hope you noticed Anzac’s efforts to stop the Rising Sun. I was trying to buy the US time. We shall see.
Things are looking bleak for the powers of Good.

[danejstrup]

Yes, we noticed that Japan defended well in that sea battle. Too bad for the future of Earth.

[Witt]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 11 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 artillery moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 mech_infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Szechwan

[Witt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 11 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 artillery moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 mech_infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Szechwan

Combat - Russians
            Russians creates battle in territory 125 Sea Zone
            Battle in Szechwan
                Russians attack with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Finland
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Finland from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 armour moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
            1 armour moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            6 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk
            2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
            4 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Russia
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            3 infantry moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
            6 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
            2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            1 armour moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus

Place Units - Russians
            1 infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Territory Summary for Russians :

Sakha : 1 infantry
    Yenisey : 4 infantry
    Amur : 1 infantry
    Timguska : 2 aaGuns and 6 infantry
    Belarus : 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
    Baltic States : 3 infantry
    Bryansk : 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 25 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Ukraine : 1 aaGun, 1 factory_minor and 16 infantry
    Western Ukraine : 1 aaGun and 3 infantry
    Novosibirsk : 6 infantry
    Volgograd : 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    Novgorod : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 4 infantry
    Caucasus : 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    125 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Northwest Persia : 1 flag, 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
    115 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
    Finland : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 52
    Russians : 38 / 41
    Japanese : 57 / 67
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 7 / 9
    British : 25 / 18
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 6
    Italians : 25 / 43
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0