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Europe 1940 shows up on Wizards site…with screenshot
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@Imperious:
The setup is just for illustration. Their is no need to think this is the 1940 setup, with Americans in Russia.
None of the pictures from any game have used the starting correct setup as the promotional shot. Rather some chimp was told to stick the units on the map and take a picture. It was probably the same guy. I give him credit for putting the blue pieces mostly in france, but i am sure he was told some basic things.
You’d figure they could at least find one intelligent person to do these things. It’s not like a logical and accurate setup would make for a bad promo shot or anything… But I suppose, other than we people in these forums, nobody else really notices or cares enough to complain.
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You’d figure they could at least find one intelligent person to do these things.
They don’t care. They do the minimal crap to just get by. The picture is like some idiot took it from his cell phone and posted it. They probably don’t have any decent cameras. Look at the script on the advertisement… its a total joke… looks like its written by someone who has no clue what AA is about.
And you know very well that the game will be shorting some pieces… i just can’t wait for the latest mistake… you know its around the corner… some huge gaff, typo, or only 6 German stukas?, or 6 Mech infantry? Something is definatly going to be wrong… it has happened too many times before and it will happen again…
We already know of one thing… India does not match up with the other board… It will look like the bottom of a milking cow. ( two peaks)
It just never ends because these people are true minimalists who have every excuse for every occasion. Man i wish i was in charge of that office… id fire everyone and deny severance and pension to all past employees.
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@Imperious:
You’d figure they could at least find one intelligent person to do these things.
They don’t care. They do the minimal crap to just get by. The picture is like some idiot took it from his cell phone and posted it. They probably don’t have any decent cameras. Look at the script on the advertisement… its a total joke… looks like its written by someone who has no clue what AA is about.
And you know very well that the game will be shorting some pieces… i just can’t wait for the latest mistake… you know its around the corner… some huge gaff, typo, or only 6 German stukas?, or 6 Mech infantry? Something is definatly going to be wrong… it has happened too many times before and it will happen again…
We already know of one thing… India does not match up with the other board… It will look like the bottom of a milking cow. ( two peaks)
It just never ends because these people are true minimalists who have every excuse for every occasion. Man i wish i was in charge of that office… id fire everyone and deny severance and pension to all past employees.
India can line up. You’re assuming the southermost tip of India on the Pacific map doesn’t go down any further on the euro map, when it could
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@Imperious:
They don’t care. They do the minimal crap to just get by. The picture is like some idiot took it from his cell phone and posted it. They probably don’t have any decent cameras. Look at the script on the advertisement… its a total joke… looks like its written by someone who has no clue what AA is about.
And you know very well that the game will be shorting some pieces… i just can’t wait for the latest mistake… you know its around the corner… some huge gaff, typo, or only 6 German stukas?, or 6 Mech infantry? Something is definatly going to be wrong… it has happened too many times before and it will happen again…
We already know of one thing… India does not match up with the other board… It will look like the bottom of a milking cow. ( two peaks)
It just never ends because these people are true minimalists who have every excuse for every occasion. Man i wish i was in charge of that office… id fire everyone and deny severance and pension to all past employees.
Ouch! That hurt… I totally agree.
As for Pacific 40… I just put in a request for the new battleboard and Jap Tac bombers… When Europe comes out, do all you guys just send them an email to get fixes or replacements on what they did wrong…? Or do they have to get a large number of complaints before they do anything?
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You realize that they will have the last laugh since it is likely that everyone here is buying a copy regardless?
Why don’t we leave the bashing until we can see how the game actually plays. AAP40 plays out well (with a bid…). I expect this one will too.
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You realize that they will have the last laugh since it is likely that everyone here is buying a copy regardless?
Why don’t we leave the bashing until we can see how the game actually plays. AAP40 plays out well (with a bid…). I expect this one will too.
Do you use the 40 ipc bid that goes to the US after a J1?
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@Imperious:
We already know of one thing… India does not match up with the other board… It will look like the bottom of a milking cow. ( two peaks)
If you look at the back of your AAP40 game board, the Indian coast is still going South and West.
On my game board, the black backer paper is away from the edge far enough that I could see the border dividing India into more than one territory.
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Well, for what it’s worth - I won’t be buying Europe 40 until it can be ascertained that the product is of at least ‘reasonable’ quality, and therefore value for money. I did not buy Pacific 40 because of the huge number of quality issues associated with that game, and the very high cost here in the UK. Time will tell, I guess. But as it stands, I have no faith in the ‘Chimps of the Coast’ to deliver a decent, fine quality product; they just don’t care.
I have hoped and prayed for a re-release of Pac 40 with all the errors fixed, but so far this has not materialised. However, I am much more keen on the Europe theatre as opposed to the Pacific anyway, so I am feeling more inclined to buy this 1940 version. Obviously, I am aware that I will need both games in order to play the ultimate experience. But until am I satisfied that this is all a worthwhile venture, I will be more than happy to stick with AA50, as it is brilliant.
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You realize that they will have the last laugh since it is likely that everyone here is buying a copy regardless?
Why don’t we leave the bashing until we can see how the game actually plays. AAP40 plays out well (with a bid…). I expect this one will too.
Do you use the 40 ipc bid that goes to the US after a J1?
What is this ‘bid’ business… like a handicap for the US or something?
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Lozmoid, no offense…
But while I agree there are errors, I don’t feel that the errors (even in aggregate) are enough to not buy a product that you are interested in.
No one is perfect - but $60-70 is what Axis & Allies games should cost nowadays (the old 2nd edition game was $45 back in 1996 - adjust for inflation).
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None taken…
That is my opinion and I’m sticking to it, I’m afraid. I wish Larry Harris would have his games made by a company who cares.
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But wasn’t the brilliant AA50 made by the same uncaring company?
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Lozmoid,
I bought Pac40 the first day (actually the store sold it to me the day before release). Honestly we played quite a few Pac games early on, but lately we have went back to AA50. Your right it’s a great game. I don’t feel I wasted my money on Pac, but I do feel like I bought 1/2 a game. There were some issues w/Pac40 when it was released, but it’s been hammered out now through the Faq/Errata. I’m glad we got Pac40 because now I understand how the new units and bases work along w/political rules. It is kind of like a dress rehearsal. Now when E40 comes out I have a heads up on what to expect. I think (don’t know for sure) that the release of E40 was backed up to re wright parts of the rule book from the feedback they got from Pac 40, so I’m expecting a smoother less problematic game in August. Then there’s the much anticipated placing both boards together, I’m going to need to buy a ping pong table :-D -
But wasn’t the brilliant AA50 made by the same uncaring company?
Yep, AA50 was so brilliant that they did 2 broken scenarios where allies cannot win because they did ubercrappy rules for China (one of then passed to AAP40) and they didn’t playtested Asian mainland :roll:
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But wasn’t the brilliant AA50 made by the same uncaring company?
Yep, AA50 was so brilliant that they did 2 broken scenarios where allies cannot win because they did ubercrappy rules for China (one of then passed to AAP40) and they didn’t playtested Asian mainland :roll:
I was just quoting Lozmoid who said AA50 was brilliant, but I will agree with you the Axis do have an advantage in both setups. But I have been finding out that the way the allies can win is through unconventional A&A strategies, but which are actually the historical strategies. For example American wolfpack tactics in the pacific.
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But wasn’t the brilliant AA50 made by the same uncaring company?
Yep, AA50 was so brilliant that they did 2 broken scenarios where allies cannot win because they did ubercrappy rules for China (one of then passed to AAP40) and they didn’t playtested Asian mainland :roll:
I was just quoting Lozmoid who said AA50 was brilliant, but I will agree with you the Axis do have an advantage in both setups. But I have been finding out that the way the allies can win is through unconventional A&A strategies, but which are actually the historical strategies. For example American wolfpack tactics in the pacific.
So you don’t think P40 is broken?
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But wasn’t the brilliant AA50 made by the same uncaring company?
Yep, AA50 was so brilliant that they did 2 broken scenarios where allies cannot win because they did ubercrappy rules for China (one of then passed to AAP40) and they didn’t playtested Asian mainland :roll:
I was just quoting Lozmoid who said AA50 was brilliant, but I will agree with you the Axis do have an advantage in both setups. But I have been finding out that the way the allies can win is through unconventional A&A strategies, but which are actually the historical strategies. For example American wolfpack tactics in the pacific.
So you don’t think P40 is broken?
I think he’s talking about AA50
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But wasn’t the brilliant AA50 made by the same uncaring company?
Yep, AA50 was so brilliant that they did 2 broken scenarios where allies cannot win because they did ubercrappy rules for China (one of then passed to AAP40) and they didn’t playtested Asian mainland :roll:
I was just quoting Lozmoid who said AA50 was brilliant, but I will agree with you the Axis do have an advantage in both setups. But I have been finding out that the way the allies can win is through unconventional A&A strategies, but which are actually the historical strategies. For example American wolfpack tactics in the pacific.
So you don’t think P40 is broken?
I think he’s talking about AA50
Sorry, I saw the word Pacific and assumed things
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@Imperious:
You’d figure they could at least find one intelligent person to do these things.
They don’t care. They do the minimal crap to just get by. The picture is like some idiot took it from his cell phone and posted it. They probably don’t have any decent cameras. Look at the script on the advertisement… its a total joke… looks like its written by someone who has no clue what AA is about.
And you know very well that the game will be shorting some pieces… i just can’t wait for the latest mistake… you know its around the corner… some huge gaff, typo, or only 6 German stukas?, or 6 Mech infantry? Something is definatly going to be wrong… it has happened too many times before and it will happen again…
We already know of one thing… India does not match up with the other board… It will look like the bottom of a milking cow. ( two peaks)
It just never ends because these people are true minimalists who have every excuse for every occasion. Man i wish i was in charge of that office… id fire everyone and deny severance and pension to all past employees.
Seriously?
Look, Wizards certainly made some serious errors with AAP40, and I’m sure they will have new and improved errors with AAE40.
BUT!!!
Nothing about this image is an error. There’s a reason (as has been discussed elsewhere in this thread) that every single box back image has a not-even-remotely correct setup. It’s because they don’t want to let that information out yet. If they posted a high-resolution picture of the map with the correct setup, there are enough super-excited anal-retentive people on this board (I know, I’m one of them) that we would already have broken down the unit setup to within an infantry or two, and drawn accurate maps of the board. We would already have games in progress on AABattlemaps and tripleA, and people would be stealing their work resources to print out high-res maps on their large format plotters. Some people, having gone to the effort of making bootleg copies would not be inclined to buy the real product. Others who are super excited to see what’s been made will have seen it all, and be less willing to run out and get it right away. They’ll plan to buy it eventually, but in some cases eventually will turn into never. Both of these effects will directly affect their sales. On the other hand, if they build up enthusiasm to a fever pitch with properly timed spoilers, then die hard fans will rush out to buy, and people who are on the fence will get swept up by their friends and the excitement and will make a purchase that they may not otherwise.
Remember, Wizards is selling four things inside the box that you buy:
- The board
- The other physical components (pieces, markers, charts, etc.)
- The rules
- The starting setup
Now, anyone who bought AAP40 will already have the rules, minus some political rules, national objectives, and technology. Those additional rules have been spoiled or can be easily deduced in most cases. Certainly close enough to get a 90% solution
Anybody who has several copies of earlier games (as I’m sure just about everybody on this board does) has enough of the pieces (minus a few Mech Infantry and Tac Bombers that I’m sure they can jury rig out of other parts or painted parts) to provision all powers.
That leaves the board and the starting setup, and a single high-resolution picture of the starting setup would leak that information completely in a matter of hours.Nothing about this picture is an accident. They showed us exactly what they wanted us to see.
I’m sure they had a professional photographer take ultra-high resolution photographs, and then spent time figuring exactly how much they needed to down-rez it to show what they wanted. Similarly, upon consideration, I think that they had someone familiar with the game set it up deliberately so that 1) all countries (particularly the US and France, since they’re one of the new hooks) are represented, 2) the board is “evocative” of what the board will look like in play without 3) looking anything like the actual setup.
This is a movie trailer. It shows a few big explosions, a couple great one-liners and catchphrases, and makes you want to see the movie/play the game without giving away the farm.
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I’m not totally sure yet about if AAP40 is broken (but I only played 3 games until today, take that into account). Anyway I think it’s easier balance AAP40 (if broken) that AA50: for AAP40, I’d add 1 aagun to Szechwan and change the order of turns to make China playing first … that should be enough. In addition, to prevent gamey strats, I’d delete any restrictions to China’s movement, but anyway AA50 also needs that
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