I think Japan still would have invaded the Soviet Union though, if the Second Sino-Japanese War continued (the oil embargo only really happened once they invaded Indochina).
Other than that I agree with you. That would be curious alternate reality.
On this day during W.W. 2
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January 12, 1945, saw the beginning of the Soviet Vistula-Oder offensive, led by the celebrated marshals Zhukov and Konev. The operation had been prepared for many months during which the Soviet amassed a force of such magnitude that Hitler refused to believe the incoming reports.
World War 2 was pretty much hopeless for the Germans at this time, but decisions made on either side would have a lasting impact on post-war Europe. Hitler had mostly lost his sense of reality and failed to order the trapped German forces in the Courland pocket home, where they could have helped defending; he even sent troops out to Hungary. Zhukov on the other hand, stopped the offensive at the Oder, just a bit over 40 miles from Berlin – but the Soviet front line had become dangerously extended, and he considered pushing on too dangerous.
They each had their detractors: Guderian fell out with Hitler about the failing defense and Chuikov with Zhukov about the stalled offensive. Plenty of room for alternative history writing: would the Soviets have been stopped before they reached the Oder if Guderian’s advice had been followed? Would they have taken Berlin if Chuikov had had his way?
The offensive was halted on February 2. Two days later, the Yalta conference started and all the decisions that would draw the map for decades to come were made. -
Not precisely a day “during W.W. 2”, but nevertheless very relevant to it, was February 15, 1933. On that day, Giuseppe Zangara tried to assassinate president-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt, a mere two weeks before his inauguration. Zangara was a desperate man of doubtful psychological stability and blamed his difficulties on the rich and the powerful. He was also quite short and not in the front row, so he had difficult taking his aim with taller people standing in front of him, climbed an unstable chair, and missed Roosevelt. Mrs. Lillian Cross, standing in front of him, turned around to bravely grab the arm holding the gun, but while others rushed to overpower Zangara, he did fire four more bullets. Several people were wounded, among them Mayor Anton Cermak of Chicago, who would die of his injuries a few weeks later. Zangara was initially convicted to 80 years in prison, but faced execution for murder a month later after Cermak had died.
Needless to say that history would have been dramatically different if Zangara had succeeded. That scenario has been the topic of speculation and fiction, most notably as the point of divergence in the well-known novel The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick.
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@KaLeu yea i had never heard that either. My favorite part is the swift justice.
Rich and powerful is who he blames. A communist maybe ? Roosevelt was a socialist, so whatever.
No shortage of fruitcakes out there.
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Thanks . Never heard of this.
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@barnee said in On this day during W.W. 2:
Rich and powerful is who he blames. A communist maybe ? Roosevelt was a socialist, so whatever.
I take it that you’re not a big fan of either communism or socialism. But they’re not the same, and Roosevelt was neither. As for Zangara? Just another guy who blamed his own misfortunes on others. Ironically, as a bricklayer he would probably have had excellent opportunities in the late 1930s had he chosen a better path in life.
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Since no one did it:
3 days ago was the 80th anniversary of the beginning of Operation Ichi-Go, one of Japan’s final major victories in World War 2 and their biggest operation in China since attacking Pearl Harbor.
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80 years ago today, Operation Overlord took place, as the Allies landed in Normandy.
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Also 5 days ago (where I live), the Allies captured Rome.
Even on its 80th anniversary, that success (even if militarily rather dumb) is still overshadowed. Just shouting it out.
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Where I live, it’s the 85th anniversary of the Invasion of Poland in 1939, the campaign that started all of this.
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USS Robinson DD-562 sails along the beach at Peleliu, her 5” mounts trained landward, wiping out enemy gun emplacements and tumbling snipers out of trees as she blasted enemy positions - September 15, 1944
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Wait, Pelieu? That means Leyte Gulf is coming up soon!
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#OTD in 1942, the Japanese sub I-19 fired one of the most damaging torpedo salvos in the history of submarine warfare. The 6 torpedo spread hit and sank the carrier USS Wasp and the destroyer USS O’Brien while severely damaging the battleship USS North Carolina.
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Dang, that was today too? Still legendary after all this time.
Thanks for keeping this thread active.
Also, yesterday (where I live) was the 80th anniversary of the beginning of the Baltic Offensive, where the Soviet Union expelled German forces from most of the Baltic States, cutting off Army Group North in the Courland Pocket where it would stay trapped until the end of thwar.
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@captainwalker thanks for that . Just read about the I-19. Was a Remarkable feat. Wonder if the three ships were too close to each other .
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80 Years Ago Today;
Paratroopers of the British 1st Airborne Division landing in fields at Renkum, West of Arnhem in the Netherlands during Operation Market Garden - September 17, 1944Note some gliders are already on the ground
This is landing zone “X” - it was a landing & drop zone for both gliders & paratroopers.
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Paratroopers with the US 82nd Airborne Division get last minute instructions at RAF Cottesmore before boarding C-47s for Operation Market Garden - September 17, 1944
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@captainwalker love the Battle of Arnhem. Read a lot about it .
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Market Garden was today? Nice. If only it had succeeded…
Still a bold, unique, ambitious operation. It’ll always deserve a special place in the history of the Western Front.
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@SuperbattleshipYamato the Germans threw in every unit they could find. Was a perfect reaction , typifying German resilience and faith in their abilities.
The Allies were unlucky in many ways with the bad weather and , in the case of the 1st Para, hampered by the choice of faraway drop zones.
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