@admiral_nimitz are you still up for a game? G1940 with a bid for Allies?
Play by forum.
Anyone care to take over AACalc?
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Similarly, I think social conservatives should get a grip and realize that not everyone is going to share their definition of “marriage”, and maybe that’s not the end of the world either. If two gay guys (or gals) want to consider themselves married rather than unionized, what’s that to you? Marriage is about SOCIAL validation of your cherished love. Gays and lesbians do not want to feel that their unions have a 2nd class status socially and legally.
What blows my mind is the inability of social conservatives to see the parallels between their views and those of the Taliban - to impose your moral code on everyone else. That is tyranny, no matter who wrote the moral code.
You think you’re so smart, but you are missing it by a mile. You think by labeling people like me a “social conservative” you can label and shelve me as “intolerant” because I have standards that I will not compromise on.
Marriage is about a lot more then social validation of your cherished love. Marriage and family are the most basic units of government. If you want anarchy, just break down the family unit and devalue marriage so that a rock and a dog can get married. I’m not going to go to the trouble of defining all that marriage is, because it would take a lot of time and thought, but it is so much more than what you are making it out to be.
I have never “imposed my moral code” on anyone else. All I’ve ever done is communicate in congruence with my core beliefs and experiences, and vote according to my beliefs. The vast majority of “social conservatives” do the same. So we’re like the Taliban?
It’s pretty simple, really. People like you resent people who have standards that are higher or more restrictive than your own, and you will say whatever to voice your frustration. Next thing you know, you’re calling good people “Taliban” “Nazis” “Bigots” whatever. Be careful with those labels you’re throwing around. They’re offensive, they’re inaccurate…… just stop.
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What’s ridiculous is for the adherents of bronze-age mythologies to enforce their moral code on everyone else.
One of my best friends is lesbian and she is one of the most moral people I know. Of course, as an atheist, I realize you probably think I’m not entitled to make any moral judgments whatever.
Freedom has to be freedom for all or it is a very shallow freedom. Gays and lesbians want to recognize and celebrate their committed relationships to their life partners as “marriage” and not have to call it something else because some people are disgusted by their lifestyle. So let them. That, or just get it over with and declare the US a theocracy just like the Taliban. You have many of the same religious beliefs about sex and marriage, and apparently also a similar belief about the role of religious morals in the law of the state (unlike your founding fathers). Not quite as extreme, you are not advocating stoning, but it still causes stigmatization and 2nd class status based on a part of people’s identity that they can’t change.
You have an ideological commitment that I don’t think I will ever be able to reason you away from, so I give up.
I’ll be posting news about AACalc soon.
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Frood,
I don’t think we are trying to force our morals on everyone else, I think you are trying to devalue something we cherish because it either feels unfair, you do not like it, you want to hurt those of us with religous beliefs or whatever the reason is.
That is why, generally, when you say the government should do a full pull-out of the institution of marriage and just make it’s own institution with absolutely no religous connotation what-so-ever, those trying to get same-sex “marriage” (with the term) scream bloody murder.
I honestly do not feel that most proponents of same sex marriage really want same sex marriage, they want the word “Married” so they can either sue the church for non-compliance and bigotry or just sully the institution to the point no one bothers to get married anymore.
On a related subject:
I do not feel I would ever get married again. Honestly, if you have ever had a husband and had to yell at him over and over and over again about getting his underwear off the fraggin floor and into the gosh-darn laundry basket already…you would not want to get married either!
And I know it is not just me! This is a plight of women everywhere! And why in the 9 levels of hell would anyone want to get “married” anyway! Monogendered or dualgendered it does not matter! It’s a nightmare and a half to open a bank account, it’s that squared if you want to buy a house! Booking a flight for your spouse is akin to pulling teeth without anesthesia now. Frack that. With the marriage penalty coming back in January, I honestly think about getting a divorce and just co-habitating with my husband. God knows the score, why does the government need to know?
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Please stop telling us our motives. I do not care if a church denies a marriage, since (if same-sex marriage is legalized), they can get married wherever they want, including a more liberal church. I am not for forcing churches to marry any couple.
Also, men also have many problems with women, such as nagging over small things.
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Also, men also have many problems with women, such as nagging over small things.
:-) This keeps getting better and better. You and Jenn both have good points…. :-)
Jenn, I NEVER leave underwear on the floor - it always goes straight into the laundry basket. I also don’t “shoot baskets” with my underwear, leaving it on the floor when I miss.
My wife is irked by the amount of time I spend playing games. She thinks games are nearly worthless - a way to pass an hour or two per month with the children, perhaps. One of our biggest battlegrounds is the # of hours I spend playing games. My position is that I am who I am - I have always loved games and always will, and I wouldn’t be nearly as happy or fulfilled if I banned game-playing in my life.
But Jenn and Calvin, you’ve nailed 2 of the top 10 things that irk husbands and wives, I’m sure.
Husbands - irked by nagging (we are not your project - accept us as we are and we’ll all be much happier)
Wives - irked by crudeness/rudeness (one of my cousins used to say, “do you know what the difference between rude and crude is”? Rude is throwing your underwear against the wall. Crude is when it sticks there) -
Let me take guesses at some of the other 8:
Sex/Lack Therof
Time spent with children
Time spent on computer/games/other things that are “unimportant”
Forgetting/Not doing enough on anniversaries/birthdays/other important holidays
Time spend on working late/overtime -
Let me take guesses at some of the other 8:
Sex/Lack Therof
Time spent with children
Time spent on computer/games/other things that are “unimportant”
Forgetting/Not doing enough on anniversaries/birthdays/other important holidays
Time spend on working late/overtimeYou’re doing good. Other things “unimportant” - ballgames, golf, time with the “boys”….
You left off a big one - MONEY
Another one - other love interests (not dissimilar to time spent with computer/games/other things, and time spent working late):-)
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Other love interests. I’d like to comment that it is unrealistic to expect a mle in a relationship to not be attracted to other women. Being in a relationship doesn’t automatically make all other women ugly.
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Other love interests. I’d like to comment that it is unrealistic to expect a mle in a relationship to not be attracted to other women. Being in a relationship doesn’t automatically make all other women ugly.
:-) Of course, there is a difference between entering a personal (emotional) relationship, and just checking out the goods…. But you’re talking to a man - we understand each other…
Unrealistic?? :lol:
Woman = unrealistic :-D
No, seriously, men and women in relationships need to keep open minds, and study the differences between men and women. At least try to understand the differences intellectually… Since you can’t understand many of their feelings/perspectives from personal experience…
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Okay, this might be a good time to let this thread go back on topic.
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Okay, this might be a good time to let this thread go back on topic.
:-) Agreed, although a few days ago would have been an even better time. :-)
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I have to admit, the only reason to get married is to fix your man, yes.
As for attractiveness, it’s the same as when I go to the jewelry store on Saturdays….I can look all I want, but I cannot bring any of it home with me.
And women are not unrealistic. Men are just children…adorable children, but children. He routinely tells me that it’s never too late to have a happy childhood.
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