League General Discussion Thread

[simon33]

For anyone who is interested, league games played per year are:
2013 - 581
2014 - 520
2015 - 462
2016 - 648
2017 - 404
2018 - 451
2019 - 367
2020 - 365
2021 - 339
2022 - 218+

Seems like when Balanced Mod came out in 2016 there was a big rush. I can’t really explain why the games played dropped off so much this year. Some big players have left the league, had enough of A&A?

I personally got a bit grumpy about the Paris liberation disincentive, and worse (IMO) the incentive to leave Normandy French. Although I am not sure if others got so irritated by this other than Gargantua.

[FlyingBadger]

@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:

For anyone who is interested, league games played per year are:
2013 - 581
2014 - 520
2015 - 462
2016 - 648
2017 - 404
2018 - 451
2019 - 367
2020 - 365
2021 - 339
2022 - 218+

So collectively we have two days to complete 121 games…

Seems like when Balanced Mod came out in 2016 there was a big rush. I can’t really explain why the games played dropped off so much this year. Some big players have left the league, had enough of A&A?

I did some rough work and using some regular expressions, a torch and two squirrels I churned this out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eGoPApelFeR90te572XhDGt2Gd9BftgKD5m8z-f3TEw/edit?usp=sharing.

At a glance it looks like there were around 75 games lost from players who played last year but not this year, and for those of us playing this year we are down about 50 games from last year.

I personally got a bit grumpy about the Paris liberation disincentive, and worse (IMO) the incentive to leave Normandy French. Although I am not sure if others got so irritated by this other than Gargantua.

I think that grumpy is a good default mode to be in.

[Karl7]

@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:

For anyone who is interested, league games played per year are:
2013 - 581
2014 - 520
2015 - 462
2016 - 648
2017 - 404
2018 - 451
2019 - 367
2020 - 365
2021 - 339
2022 - 218+

Seems like when Balanced Mod came out in 2016 there was a big rush. I can’t really explain why the games played dropped off so much this year. Some big players have left the league, had enough of A&A?

I personally got a bit grumpy about the Paris liberation disincentive, and worse (IMO) the incentive to leave Normandy French. Although I am not sure if others got so irritated by this other than Gargantua.

Game length definitely a factor. 20 rounds for BM3 is pretty standard. Also level play has gone up. Casual fast and loose won’t cut it anymore.

[gamerman01]

@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:

On all of the league games, do we get 3 games per version to start?

I’d be happy to answer your question but I don’t understand the question.

[gamerman01]

Obviously every year that goes by and we’re playing the same version year after year, the interest wanes.
And as Karl said, G40 games take a lot of time and commitment. Compared to earlier versions of global A&A, well, there is no comparison as most of you know.

G40 was such a leap forward for A&A in so many ways, it’s no wonder at all there was huge interest for the first few years, and a great observation by Simon that Balanced Mod was a big improvement that breathed new life and stoked a lot of interest, but it loses its new car smell too, like anything.

Someone, design a new global version of A&A that raises our heart rate again!

I have played A&A&Zombies and it is a hoot, a perfect “beer and pretzels game” as players used to say. But most of us probably wouldn’t play it very many times.
FABULOUS entry level A&A game, and also VERY interesting for veterans.

[dawgoneit]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:

On all of the league games, do we get 3 games per version to start?

I’d be happy to answer your question but I don’t understand the question.

i mean that we can play a person 3 time until you play so many games that count in the league. then we can play 5 and so on.

[dawgoneit]

@dawgoneit does this count for all versions at the same time or can we play 3 games per version

[gamerman01]

@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:

@dawgoneit does this count for all versions at the same time or can we play 3 games per version

All at the same time.

Example:
If you have a combined total of 12 games done
(say, 9 games BM, 2 games PTV and 1 game OOB)
and your opponent has a combined total of 16 games done, then you are both 10+ games total and can play to 3 wins (best of 5 games) together between the two of you.
This is also across all versions, so you shouldn’t do best of 5 in each version, but best of 5 over all. This is why I use the color code in the combined rankings but no where else.

The idea is to make every player spread themselves around to different opponents, or in other words, keep two or three players from just playing all their league games against each other. This rule also helps making everyone’s rankings more accurate because of the variety of opponents.

As I’ve posted earlier in the year, I am probably going to relax the numbers for 2023 because there are less players and games. Like every 6 games instead of every 10 or something like that, otherwise everybody would have to play everybody.

[dawgoneit]

@gamerman01 thank you.

[gamerman01]

Thanks for the question - probably helps others understand the league better.

[dawgoneit]

@gamerman01 thank you for all you do with the league. i will be donating my usual again this year. i hope it helps. if theres anything more i can help with to keep the a&a site going just let me no.

[666]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

Obviously every year that goes by and we’re playing the same version year after year, the interest wanes.
And as Karl said, G40 games take a lot of time and commitment. Compared to earlier versions of global A&A, well, there is no comparison as most of you know.

G40 was such a leap forward for A&A in so many ways, it’s no wonder at all there was huge interest for the first few years, and a great observation by Simon that Balanced Mod was a big improvement that breathed new life and stoked a lot of interest, but it loses its new car smell too, like anything.

Someone, design a new global version of A&A that raises our heart rate again!

I have played A&A&Zombies and it is a hoot, a perfect “beer and pretzels game” as players used to say. But most of us probably wouldn’t play it very many times.
FABULOUS entry level A&A game, and also VERY interesting for veterans.

Has the total number of players decreased year over year? I can understand why less games are being played, for reasons already noted.

[simon33]

Yes it has. Less players, harder to get games, some give up in frustration.

Although League games are normally finished unlike online games

[666]

@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:

Yes it has. Less players, harder to get games, some give up in frustration.

Although League games are normally finished unlike online games

I used to play games w/newbies just to get them going. Maybe I/we could do more…

[666]

All I have to say is if you are bored with BM, PtV is more complex. games are slower and take longer but more interesting. Come over to PtV

[dawgoneit]

@666 Maybe we come up with some type of slogan and or promotion to get more players for next year. can we send any messages to old players to get them back?

[gamerman01]

Sure, those are good ideas -
Very exciting during 2022 to have some returning golden oldies - I guess - myself included <cough>

I apologize if I overlooked you, but Ghostglider and Me1945 were especially interesting come-backs

[Karl7]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

Sure, those are good ideas -
Very exciting during 2022 to have some returning golden oldies - I guess - myself included <cough>

I apologize if I overlooked you, but Ghostglider and Me1945 were especially interesting come-backs

I have to wins I will file for 2023. I am coming back to the league for this season.

[gamerman01]

And Karl returning to add mayhem in 2023!

I only have you down for 1 in 2022 - did I miss one or are you talking one in progress

[Karl7]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

And Karl returning to add mayhem in 2023!

I only have you down for 1 in 2022 - did I miss one or are you talking one in progress

I have a win against Soulblighter and Simon33 for 2023

I think I played a game against AndrewGamer in 2022?