The Swede’s were just plain awesome in the age of musket lol. So many great commanders.
No doubt, The Great Northern Kingdom had an elite battle force.
What do you think of General George S. Patton?
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Also, Patton should be very well aware of that he was a General, not the director of a hospital, not a doctor or psychiatrist. Patton should let the medicals do their job, and Patton does his job……and Patton has not medical training and/or education, Patton is a commanding General and not a doctor.
Patton should understand this matter very easily. When privates are being punished if they do not do their jobs as soldiers, or don’t follow orders from officers, then logically it’s very clear that if whoever General do something wrong, he also deserves to be punished, just like ordinary soldiers. What kind of punishment Patton deserved we will never agree on, but if someone thinks that Generals should be above the (military) law, and order then there is something wrong in your brains. -
Generals should be above the (military) law, and order then there is something wrong in your brains.
slapping a private is not in indication of this. Of course using the military to overthrow your government is far more serious. The Romans did that.
But in the case of a slap Patton was rightfully not relieved on command for long. The military really does not have cut and dry rules in wartime for stuff like that because the successful struggle of a nation in war is the prime concern. I think Patton’s idea of collaboration with remnant German forces to fight the Soviets was a more serious breech. Its good that he was joking and didn’t try to ‘start something’. We all knew he hated the Russians just as much as the Germans.
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@IL, but you do agree that Patton deserved punishment? We do not agree what kind of punishment, or how long etc. ?
But (imo) it is totally wrong to not punish Generals (if they do something which is clearly wrong or breaking the rules) even how great or good a certain General is, regardless if it is in wartime or not.
Generals do not make the laws, even if it is during a war, and not during a peacetime.
But yes, slapping a solider is not a very serious incident, but imo it deserves somekind of punishment.
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@Subotai:
@IL, but you do agree that Patton deserved punishment? We do not agree what kind of punishment, or how long etc. ?
But (imo) it is totally wrong to not punish Generals (if they do something which is clearly wrong or breaking the rules) even how great or good a certain General is, regardless if it is in wartime or not.
Generals do not make the laws, even if it is during a war, and not during a peacetime.
But yes, slapping a solider is not a very serious incident, but imo it deserves somekind of punishment.
I thought he was punished, stood down from command for a while. I may be wrong though
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@Captain:
I thought he was punished, stood down from command for a while. I may be wrong though
Yes, but there are several who disagree what kind of reaction, if any, that Patton deserved.
Maybe it was too harsh, or maybe if Patton should be reinstated within a month, I think so, but are there anyone who are involved in this discussion who thinks that Patton should not be punished whatsoever, just b/c he was a very skilled General? I hope not. I would rather serve in prison, than fight our common enemy, if Generals were immune to punishment, compared to lower ranked officers and privates.
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@IL, but you do agree that Patton deserved punishment? We do not agree what kind of punishment, or how long etc. ?
yes 100%, but don’t punish our effort in the war by taking him from doing his duty. Without or best commander the war will be longer and more people will die. Punish him either after the war or with a slap on the wrist for 1st offense.
But (imo) it is totally wrong to not punish Generals (if they do something which is clearly wrong or breaking the rules) even how great or good a certain General is, regardless if it is in wartime or not.
War is a critical time and has too much to risk to afford to take the best out of service. So if every soldier slapped another soldier, then we lose half our army and the war? I don’t think so.
But yes, slapping a solider is not a very serious incident, but imo it deserves somekind of punishment.
I would let the soldier throw a Banana Cream pie in Patton’s face. Thats would build up morale because it would let them know that Patton was just another guy like them and could take some minor humiliation.
To top it off they Roll FDR down a hill and enter him in a race with gimp kids…just for fun. You know they did that in the Little Rascals once.
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@Imperious:
To top it off they Roll FDR down a hill and enter him in a race with gimp kids…just for fun. You know they did that in the Little Rascals once.
You can’t see me, but I’m smiting you as hard as I can.
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@Imperious:
To top it off they Roll FDR down a hill and enter him in a race with gimp kids…just for fun. You know they did that in the Little Rascals once.
You can’t see me, but I’m smiting you as hard as I can.
You can’t see me, IL, but I’m aplauding you as hard as I can.
FDR was a tyrant. He destroyed our economy, stole our gold, put Japanese, Germans, and Italians in cencentration camps, experimented on blacks, drew us into an unnecessary war, militarized the nation, carpet bombed, fire bombed, and nuked open cities, got hundreds of thousands of our own boys killed, and left us enslaved to the Federal Reserve and the Military Industrial Complex.
The guy was as bad as Hitler. It’s not like people don’t know he did that stuff, they just mannage to engage themselves in doublethink. FDR can have the exact economic policy as Hitler, perform all the same atrocities, but no, FDR good, Hitler bad. Repeat after me children, “FDR good, Hitler bad,” and remember, you 7th history teacher is always right :wink:
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@Imperious:
To top it off they Roll FDR down a hill and enter him in a race with gimp kids…just for fun. You know they did that in the Little Rascals once.
You can’t see me, but I’m smiting you as hard as I can.
You can’t see me, IL, but I’m aplauding you as hard as I can.
FDR was a tyrant. He destroyed our economy, stole our gold, put Japanese, Germans, and Italians in cencentration camps, experimented on blacks, drew us into an unnecessary war, militarized the nation, carpet bombed, fire bombed, and nuked open cities, got hundreds of thousands of our own boys killed, and left us enslaved to the Federal Reserve and the Military Industrial Complex.
The guy was as bad as Hitler. It’s not like people don’t know he did that stuff, they just mannage to engage themselves in doublethink. FDR can have the exact economic policy as Hitler, perform all the same atrocities, but no, FDR good, Hitler bad. Repeat after me children, “FDR good, Hitler bad,” and remember, you 7th history teacher is always right :wink:
You’ve barely been here and I know this is a troll. You need to work on it if you want to be believable. Talk to Jenn or balung for some tips.
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Wait? who is he trolling? I mean really he is trolling because he does not like FDR? HUH?
He only mentioned me and a troll must have somebody who is a target and poster on this site. Do you mean he is trolling a guy who was president 65 years ago?
Am i missing something?
Ok i read it again. and perhaps he did make a jab at you. I will edit.
Wait what am i to edit. He quoted you right?
Confused.
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@Imperious:
Wait? who is he trolling? I mean really he is trolling because he does not like FDR? HUH?
He only mentioned me and a troll must have somebody who is a target and poster on this site. Do you mean he is trolling a guy who was president 65 years ago?
Am i missing something?
Ok i read it again. and perhaps he did make a jab at you. I will edit.
Wait what am i to edit. He quoted you right?
Confused.
I think he means comparing FDR to Hitler is trolling, which, lets face it it is. I don’t think hes digging at you IL, its upside down turtle that’s being the troll. FDR wasn’t a saint by any means, but compared to Hitler he is. I think the part where he says that FDR can commit the same atrocities as Hitler is where it really becomes trolling hyberbole.
This whole thread has me down on this community a bit, some pretty ghastly statements being made in here people. Not cool
Also, upside down turtle, any reason you have the RNZAF kiwi as your avatar?
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trolling? Wow, now that’s a word I haven’t heard since those Boxxy videos on youtube. Perhaps I don’t get around enough on blogs or something. :|
I have little grasp of what the word means, I must admit, and yes, it was off topic; a digression derived from IL’s statement on rolling FDR down a hill. I only meant to express my personal feeling, that is, I would tar and feather him first, then roll him down a hill. However, if you wish a more scholarly and reasoned opinion against FDR, then perhaps I’ll start another thread.
No one seemed to accuse IL of “trolling” or whatever when he took a jab at the Pope for being a Hitler Youth, and I would expect the same tolerance when I call FDR a facist.
To answer the question on my avatar: I feel no reason to justify my having it. Again, I must ask why I’m questioned for it when others seem free to have any randome thing they desire. However, since you name is Captain Kiwi, I suppose it would fit you more…
Nice gun, btw…
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…comparing FDR to Hitler is trolling
well yea ok, but isn’t trolling got to contain an attack on another poster for the purpose of provoking them?
Like you mention his opinion in manner where its placed in compromising light and ridicule?
I could be wrong so don’t quote me on this.
ON the wheelchair thing i was trying to make a joke of sorts to illustrate a point ( another point). The visualization is pretty funny actually, And after all some of us are offering opinions of Patton in much the same light as we make about FDR, but its all good because we can lighten up cant we?
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@Imperious:
…comparing FDR to Hitler is trolling
well yea ok, but isn’t trolling got to contain an attack on another poster for the purpose of provoking them?
Like you mention his opinion in manner where its placed in compromising light and ridicule?
I could be wrong so don’t quote me on this.
ON the wheelchair thing i was trying to make a joke of sorts to illustrate a point ( another point). The visualization is pretty funny actually, And after all some of us are offering opinions of Patton in much the same light as we make about FDR, but its all good because we can lighten up cant we?
I took your wheelchair down the hill thing as a joke. So I joked back (from a slight reference to The Simpsons) and never really smited you. I can’t remember the last time I’ve smited anyone.
I know turtle is joking, it’s too obvious, but the content of the post is a troll. You don’t have to direct anything at anyone, just make a claim that obviously will elicit a response. It’s not about what you are saying or what you expect to be said in response, just to get a rise out of people.
But if turtle really believes that then…well, God have mercy on his soul.
BTW, I never (even jokingly) posted that Patton should be greased up, gagged, and restrained and tossed in a club full of gay minorities with Queen songs blaring in the same manner that was suggested of FDR.
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Oh thats good. Everybody is happy, and we move forward in the darkness. Excellent!!
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Can’t we all just get along?
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trolling? Wow, now that’s a word I haven’t heard since those Boxxy videos on youtube. Perhaps I don’t get around enough on blogs or something. :|
I have little grasp of what the word means, I must admit, and yes, it was off topic; a digression derived from IL’s statement on rolling FDR down a hill. I only meant to express my personal feeling, that is, I would tar and feather him first, then roll him down a hill. However, if you wish a more scholarly and reasoned opinion against FDR, then perhaps I’ll start another thread.
No one seemed to accuse IL of “trolling” or whatever when he took a jab at the Pope for being a Hitler Youth, and I would expect the same tolerance when I call FDR a facist.
To answer the question on my avatar: I feel no reason to justify my having it. Again, I must ask why I’m questioned for it when others seem free to have any randome thing they desire. However, since you name is Captain Kiwi, I suppose it would fit you more…
Nice gun, btw…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
You may not like FDR, you may even feel he was a tyrant….but yeah comparisons with Hitler are the graveyard for discussions.
For my part, from what I understand if we’d had some insular Repub like Coolidge in charge at the time of WWII then Europe might be German speaking these days… It’s genuinely frightening to revisit how the majority of Americans were opposed to a war against Hitler
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For my part, from what I understand if we’d had some insular Repub like Coolidge in charge at the time of WWII then Europe might be German speaking these days…
ya ,can you imagine “Reichsprotektoriat Waschingtonien”??? :?
no way!!!
you all should have seen what he did to Nuernberg…It would have been Capitol city of Das Reich and all steps would be one step of a SS-man long…all doors would be giant so it wouldn’t matter who stands in it…no kidding
maybe size matters… :-D :-D -
To answer the question on my avatar: I feel no reason to justify my having it. Again, I must ask why I’m questioned for it when others seem free to have any randome thing they desire. However, since you name is Captain Kiwi, I suppose it would fit you more…
Nice gun, btw…
Was just curious about the avatar more than anything as I work with the RNZAF as part of my role at New Zealand Defence HQ, got flown around in a 3 squadron helicopter a couple a months ago and it was awesome fun. However, I probably should have sent a pm and not put it in a post along with other things.
And the gun is a Singaporean 155mm self propelled artillery piece. As part of my job I was invited to a VIP day at the New Zealand army firing range where the Singaporean army were test firing their artillery. Good times. (Singapore is a long time ally of NZ and they don’t have the space to test fire at home, so we hire out our training grounds to them)
Oh and IL, trolling is not normally a personal attack on someone. Its usually saying somethign that is deliberately inflammatory to get a response. Like going on a pro choice forum and calling everyone who had an abortion a baby killer (Thats an extreme example, but you get the point). Godwinning is usually considered trolling.
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@Captain:
To answer the question on my avatar: I feel no reason to justify my having it. Again, I must ask why I’m questioned for it when others seem free to have any randome thing they desire. However, since you name is Captain Kiwi, I suppose it would fit you more…
Nice gun, btw…
Was just curious about the avatar more than anything as I work with the RNZAF as part of my role at New Zealand Defence HQ, got flown around in a 3 squadron helicopter a couple a months ago and it was awesome fun. However, I probably should have sent a pm and not put it in a post along with other things.
And the gun is a Singaporean 155mm self propelled artillery piece. As part of my job I was invited to a VIP day at the New Zealand army firing range where the Singaporean army were test firing their artillery. Good times. (Singapore is a long time ally of NZ and they don’t have the space to test fire at home, so we hire out our training grounds to them)
Oh and IL, trolling is not normally a personal attack on someone. Its usually saying somethign that is deliberately inflammatory to get a response. Like going on a pro choice forum and calling everyone who had an abortion a baby killer (Thats an extreme example, but you get the point). Godwinning is usually considered trolling.
Do I recall correctly Anzac troops were present in the defense of Singapore from the Japanese? I know the Brits were there and recall the Japanese wading across the swamps and waters to surprise the defenders…
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