G40 Balance Mod - Rules and Download

[regularkid]

@oysteilo said in G40 Balance Mod 3.0 - Rules and Download:

In this way there are some incentives for an early ussr dow on Japan.

There is always the possibility, depending on what the Axis do, that Russia will have a strong incentive to declare war early on Japan (for example, if Japan completely abandons northern China/Korea to push India). But we would not want to add an incentive that applies in every game, for an ahistorical outcome. The way the Lend Lease objectives currently work in Balance Mod is pretty much the balance we are aiming for. They create a meaningful disincentive to early war between Japan and Russia, while still leaving it a viable options under the right circumstances. If there is a compelling reason to change this, I haven’t seen it and don’t foresee any changes in the immediate future.

[oysteilo]

Its fine @regularkid . This has been discussed carefully in the past and i am not looking for a rematch. I am just babling mye opinions

The sz 5 lend lease does only one thing. It discourages a ussr dow. After many bm game i am absolutely convinced it is in japans interest if ussr dow on Japan. There are 0 long term long gains for ussr with the strategy of entering Korea and or manchuria. Long term is past 2 rounds

@simon33 For the sz 5 lend lease. It should be given as long as amur is controlled by ussr. The sub restriction should be lifted for sz 5 because it is not a convoy zone

[simon33]

I guess the SZ5 block of lend lease weakens the disincentive for Japan to DOW on USSR, because if Archangel and SZ5 are blocked then the USSR income state is the same after the DOW.

[simon33]

In that sense, it weakens the purpose of the bonus for the Japanese DOW. Meh. Was a solution without a problem IMO.

[majikforce]

Anyone ever seen Russia still get the Siberian bonus even though I have a sub in sz5? Is this a bug or am I missing something? Thanks.
triplea_35543_5rus.tsvg

[wizmark]

@majikforce Japan and russia need to be at war for that to happen…or you have to get a german or italian sub there!

[majikforce]

@wizmark Thanks. Is that because my sub is not considered an “enemy warship” since we are still neutral. If so that’s a mighty broken NO and cheap way for Russia to get income. But so be it.

[oysteilo]

@majikforce said in League General Discussion Thread:

@wizmark Thanks. Is that because my sub is not considered an “enemy warship” since we are still neutral. If so that’s a mighty broken NO and cheap way for Russia to get income. But so be it.

yeah! the BM objective regarding USSR/Japan lend leaseeee is broken

[Adam514]

How is it logical that a neutral warship can affect lend-lease…?

[majikforce]

@Adam514 I don’t think the issue is that it’s not logical. It is and makes sense to me now that I know. The problem is in the way the NO is designed. It is basically an income stack for Russia. They dont have to do anything to get it. All the penalty rests on Japan to try and prevent it. Let’s be honest Germany and Italy will almost never be able to prevent it. That being said I also dislike the sz 80 bonus for Russia. Another cheap way to get them income. Don’t get me wrong I do like BM3. I just think it needs a couple of tweaks.

[Adam514]

@majikforce There are a bunch of NOs that are impossible to prevent, the lend-lease ones are quite reasonably preventable. Sz5 lend-lease NO can be prevented easily if Japan declares war. It’s part of the pros and cons of a DOW against Russia. And also for Russia, they know they’ll lose some income if they DOW Japan. I think it’s perfect like this.

[simon33]

Basically if Japan DOWs on USSR, blocks the Pacific NO but concedes the penalty for the Persian NO only, it’s a wash for USSR with the DOW. Although then they have to maintain the blocking of the NO. If Japan is also prepared to activate Mongolia, they can get an advantage and cause USSR to suffer.

Perhaps this should have been in a BM thread.

[oysteilo]

It should be possible to tweek/replace the sz5/amur objective for USSR:

2 IPC if there is peace between Japan and USSR
2 IPC if USSR declears war against Japan and there are no USSR units in Manchuria and/or Korea.
4 IPC if japan declares war on USSR

The second part allows USSR to enter parts of China and fight Japan there. The penalty is just associated with manchuria and Korea

[simon33]

Isn’t that pretty much the status quo?

[oysteilo]

no, it allows russia to enter china without losing the +2. A significant detail i think

[simon33]

Oh so remove the sz5 dependency, is that you are saying?

Unless SZ5 is blocked or Amur is lost, USSR still get the +2 if they DOW on Japan.

[oysteilo]

Yes,ussr will always get +2 as long as they dont enter manchuria/Korea,

[oysteilo]

I dont want to tie it up to sz 5 or amur. They will get +2 even without amur.

[trulpen]

One idea of BM3 seems to be to have made Russia stronger. I think the present construction is pretty neat in giving Russia extra income, but also giving both benefits and draw-backs with DOWs from either side. The construction is simplified in P2V, but to my eye it’s not an improvement.

[simon33]

@trulpen said in G40 Balance Mod 3.0 - Rules and Download:

One idea of BM3 seems to be to have made Russia stronger. I think the present construction is pretty neat in giving Russia extra income, but also giving both benefits and draw-backs with DOWs from either side. The construction is simplified in P2V, but to my eye it’s not an improvement.

I agree.

I have posted before that I thought the best option was to have a USSR DOW nullify Mongolia but it wasn’t supported.