Dutch/Netherlands (Minor Power) Ideas

[Hadeus]

Greetings. I’ve been playing Axis and Allies G1940 for about a year now.
I absolutely love this game; So much that I am trying to add more content to an already amazing game.

I’ve already added a few playable minor nations for the Axis/Ally powers; one of these are the Dutch/Netherlands.

Since Germany occupies Holland, where the Netherlands’ ‘Capital’ lies it means the Dutch cannot collect any IPC’s or create new units. I am not trying to change that.
However, there should still [historically] be a small military presence in the Dutch East Indies.
I was disappointed that there were no seperate roundels, military units, or possibility of liberation in the base game.

My idea: Place a small military Dutch military presence in the Dutch East Indies. (I’ve purchased their Roundels & Units)

2 Infantry (Java)
1 Cruiser,  1 Transport & 1 Sub (SZ42)

I need some ideas from you; Should they have a minor factory? more/less units? Where to place them?
Also, what order would their turn sequence be?
Even though they are occupied, it would be nice to see them again in the chance their Capital is liberated  8-)

As we are aware, the East Indies are very important for Japan, UK P, and ANZAC IPCs for the war effort.

Adding the Netherlands as a minor occupied power would negate the exception of UK P and ANZAC gaining the IPC value of the territories, which might be interesting.

[General Veers]

I like the idea, but to compensate for potential lost UK/ANZAC income with custodianship removed I’d add a token infantry to Sumatra to make life a little harder for Japan.

A factory in Holland/Belgium would give Germany some interesting options for turn 1 builds as well.

Also this should be moved to House Rules.

[taamvan]

Some of Siredblood’s custom maps correct these rondels and make them more historical and fun, we custom printed this map

I had a brainstorm some time back along these lines a few years back–for a Free French (or more aptly “free forces”) to represent norway, the dutch and free french

Use blue pieces
add 1-2 infantry to FIC
no factories needed to produce (these aren’t allowed on islands will just get handed to another power)
starts when Paris falls
All the remaining french territory (8 income, or 10 with FIC, once all France is dead)
collects income which cannot be taken away
may purchase;  infantry, cruisers, transports (only? up to you)
may place at
French Guiana and 88
New Hebrides and 53
and/or Madagascar and 72
and/or syria, southern france, etc all up to you

This way, the Free Forces are a viable small power.  To make it part of your idea, you could give them part or all of the income from the dutch lands, and let them produce there.  Because the french have some forces already on the map, it feels like a good way to use those pieces and the team that comes with the game, to compensate for Axis imbalance, and add a fun new small team ala China to the mix.

[General 6 Stars]

Go to house rules thread. Just discussed this. Under Dutch navy

[Argothair]

Yup, this all sounds fun.

You can just add 2 or 3 infantry and 1 or 2 small boats to the Dutch East Indies if you want and call it a day; that’s thematic and won’t unbalance the game.

Taamvan’s idea of merging all of the various minor Allied powers into a “Free Forces” player is also interesting. It gets at what I see as the core problem: there are several nations whose economies are so small that they don’t mesh comfortably with the pricing structure for Global 1940 units. For example, French North Africa + Central Africa + Madagascar + Syria + Indochina = 10 IPCs…not even enough to buy a minor factory, even if the rules allowed you to collect income or make purchases without a capital. Holland + Congo + Java + Sumatra + Celebes = 15 IPCs…enough for a factory, but not really enough to buy a navy that can accomplish anything against the Japanese. You’d much rather have those IPCs going to the British (or ANZAC), because the start-up costs are too high – if you’re trying to buy a factory, and then some infantry, and then some planes, and then a carrier, and then a transport, well, by the time you can afford all of that, your transport won’t be landing troops anywhere until turn 8, and if you try to skip any of those steps, then your fleet gets sunk or your factory gets captured. ANZAC already starts with some infantry and an air force, so when they earn income they can get it into play much more quickly.

One way to handle this is to mush the French and Dutch and Norwegians and Polish together, so that they all add up to one efficiently-sized power.

The other way to handle this is to scale down part of the Global 1940 economy that deals with minor powers. Infantry and artillery are already affordable for minor powers; the problem is boats and factories. So, make those cheaper and weaker for small powers!

A “patrol boat” costs 5 IPCs, attacks at 1, defends at 1, carries 1 infantry, and moves 1 sea zone. A “training camp” costs 6 IPCs, can be built in any originally owned territory, and can build up to 2 total units each turn, all of which must be either infantry, artillery, patrol boats, AA guns, or fighters. Training camps are destroyed if they are captured by enemy land units. Training camps may be bombed as if they were minor factories; like minor factories, they can accumulate up to 6 damage and lose one point of production capacity for each point of unrepaired damage.

The only minor powers are France, Holland/Belgium, and China. Minor powers can collect and spend income even when they do not have a capital. Only minor powers can build training camps or patrol boats.

After having its capital looted, France becomes a minor power for the rest of the game and follows all of the ordinary rules for a minor power. Liberating Paris does not restore France to its status as a major power. In addition to its usual starting units, France starts with a training camp in French Equatorial Africa.

Holland/Belgium is already a minor power at the start of the game, and owns Congo, Java, Sumatra, Celebes, and Dutch New Guinea. Holland starts with an infantry in Java and Sumatra, a patrol boat in SZ 44, and a training camp in Dutch New Guinea. ANZAC’s national objective can now be fulfilled even if Dutch New Guinea is controlled by the Dutch. Neither the UK nor ANZAC may “nationalize” Dutch territories, although Dutch territories are Allied territories, and so the UK and ANZAC (and America, once it joins the war) may freely land fighters and other units there.

China is a minor power at the start of the game, and in addition to its usual starting setup, China also starts with training camps in Yunnan, Szechuan, Sikang, Shensi, and Suiyuan. The “special rules” for China no longer apply; China is just an ordinary minor power. Yes, this means China can now build artillery or fighters on any turn that China can afford them, and it means Chinese units can roam freely outside of China – but it also somewhat limits China’s ability to deploy units to arbitrary new territories.