@CWO:
Yes, though Italy is a more extreme case than Russia. In Europe 1940 2nd ed., all of Italy’s units are Italian-specific, whereas in the Anniversary reprint (which has fewer unit types than 1940.2, and has common generic AAA units), Italy only has nation-specific infantry and tank units; the rest of its equipment is German or Japanese. The USSR has a British aircraft carrier, and American designs for its artillery piece and its sub and its transport ship; the rest of the units are Russian-specific, however, including the Soviet-design battleship, cruiser and destroyer that were introduced in one of the more recent games, and which is an improvement over the original Anniversary game.
This sounds like a job for my “common unit bins” from my 2nd ED games… you wouldn’t happen to have a unit count for Italy would you? I have some Italian units as “flavor” for Germany in 1942SE, but I wonder if I have enough to cover a “full nation” like Italy in AA50.
The D. Jensen article on here shows the piece counts for the game thats how i ordered my “subbing” in pieces for what ill use. also ordered the nation specific AA’s as i want to play with the updated rules for those. I was actually hoping to hear some feedback on how this may/would affect the gameplay using the new AA gun rules. (as far as taking for casualties )also if it affects the battles much per the setup and if it should be the one AA shoots 3 planes or one AA shoots them all. getting game as xmas gift so cant check but was hoping someone can look in the setup boxes and see if the 2 dividers can come out or not. i have the 80’s classic edition foam trays painted for storing the units i was hoping to use.
@CWO:
So, as a whole, national units for countries like Italy and Russia are “more Italian and more Russian” in 1940SE than they are in AA50(SE)? Is that the gist I’m getting?
Yes, though Italy is a more extreme case than Russia. In Europe 1940 2nd ed., all of Italy’s units are Italian-specific, whereas in the Anniversary reprint (which has fewer unit types than 1940.2, and has common generic AAA units), Italy only has nation-specific infantry and tank units; the rest of its equipment is German or Japanese. The USSR has a British aircraft carrier, and American designs for its artillery piece and its sub and its transport ship; the rest of the units are Russian-specific, however, including the Soviet-design battleship, cruiser and destroyer that were introduced in one of the more recent games, and which is an improvement over the original Anniversary game.
Sad.
I had hope they would have made Italy all Italian’s unit specific sculpts.
This is great. Italy get a period specific sculpt instead of the M15-42 which was mostly used by the Germans. More modding to do. Yay!! (i’m not being facetious either) This was exactly what I was hoping for. Gotta say though that not using G40 pieces seems kinda stupid but I am extremely happy at the old Italian tank. I also noticed the italian cruiser looks different from any other sculpts. I am not as well versed with ships yet but is it truly an Italian cruiser?
One other detail I wanted to clarify. The German artillery is not an 88. It is the 105 AA gun which is a mid to late war model. The 88 used as AA in G40 is the ground version and unusable for AA duties due to the changes in sights and the fitting of the heavy armored shield. Just some details overlooked in development. It would have been perfect without the shield as AA. I’m either modifying mine to get rid of the shield or modifying the russian AA into a german 88.
Here are tables I’ve compiled giving: a) a unit count for the Anniversary reprint sculpts and b) the identification of the sculpt models used for each nation. Please refer to my unit identification charts (http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=31982.0) for silhouettes illustrating these models; all have previously appeared in various A&A games, so no updates to the charts were required.
I’ll post the tables one by one as I complete them (I’m working on them right now) over the half-hour or so, then I’ll post a consolidated version for ease of consultation.
United States
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x American
Tank: 12 x M4 Sherman
Artillery: 12 x 105mm Howitzer
Air Units:
Bomber: 8 x Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
Fighter: 11 x Lockheed P-38 Lightning
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 6 x Wasp Class
Battleship: 4 x Iowa Class
Cruiser: 8 x Portland Class
Destroyer: 10 x Fletcher Class
Submarine: 10 x Gato Class
Naval Transport: 10 x Liberty Ship Type
Next table:
United Kingdom
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x British
Tank: 10 x Matilda II
Artillery: 10 x 105mm Howitzer (US)
Air Units:
Bomber: 8 x Handley Page Halifax
Fighter: 12 x Supermarine Spitfire
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 4 x Illustrious Class
Battleship: 4 x Royal Sovereign Class [large version]
Cruiser: 8 x County Class – Kent Group
Destroyer: 10 x Fletcher Class (US)
Submarine: 10 x Gato Class (US)
Naval Transport: 10 x Liberty Ship Type (US)
Next table:
Soviet Union
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x Russian
Tank: 14 x T-34
Artillery: 14 x 105mm Howitzer (US)
Air Units:
Bomber: 4 x Petlyakov Pe-8
Fighter: 12 x Yakovlev Yak-3
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Illustrious Class (UK)
Battleship: 2 x Gangut Class
Cruiser: 4 x Kirov Class
Destroyer: 6 x Gnevny Class
Submarine: 6 x Gato Class (US)
Naval Transport: 6 x Liberty Ship Type (US)
Next table:
Germany
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x German
Tank: 14 x PzKpfw V Panther [2nd version sculpt]
Artillery: 12 x 88mm FLAK [1st version sculpt]
Air Units:
Bomber: 6 x Junkers Ju-88
Fighter: 12 x Messerschmitt Bf-109
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Graf Zeppelin Class
Battleship: 4 Bismarck Class [large version]
Cruiser: 6 x Admiral Hipper Class [cruiser stern version]
Destroyer: 10 x Type 1934A Class
Submarine: 12 x Type VII
Naval Transport: 8 x Dithmarschen Type
Next table:
Japan
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x Japanese
Tank: 8 x Type 95 Kyu-Go
Artillery: 10 x 70mm Type 92 Battalion Gun [open-strut version]
Air Units:
Bomber: 6 x Mitsubishi G4M Betty
Fighter: 12 x Mitsubishi A6M Zero
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 6 x Shinano Class
Battleship: 6 x Yamato Class
Cruiser: 8 x Takao Class
Destroyer: 10 x Fubuki Class
Submarine: 10 x I-Category
Naval Transport: 10 x Hakusan Maru Type
That is fab, Marc. thank you.
Next table:
Italy
Land units:
Infantry: 20 x Italian
Tank: 6 x Carro Armato M14/41
Artillery: 6 x 70mm Type 92 Battalion Gun (Japan) [open-strut version]
Air Units:
Bomber: 4 x Mitsubishi G4M Betty (Japan)
Fighter: 6 x Messerschmitt Bf-109 (Germany)
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Graf Zeppelin Class (Germany)
Battleship: 2 x Bismarck Class (Germany)
Cruiser: 2 x Admiral Hipper Class (Germany) [transom stern version]
Destroyer: 6 x Type 1934A Class (Germany)
Submarine: 6 x Type VII (Germany)
Naval Transport: 4 x Dithmarschen Type (Germany)
Last table:
China
Land units:
Infantry: 15 x Chinese
Common Generic Units [grey]
Industrial Complexes: 14 [retangular base hole version]
Anti-Aircraft Artillery: 14
Consolidated tables:
United States
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x American
Tank: 12 x M4 Sherman
Artillery: 12 x 105mm Howitzer
Air Units:
Bomber: 8 x Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
Fighter: 11 x Lockheed P-38 Lightning
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 6 x Wasp Class
Battleship: 4 x Iowa Class
Cruiser: 8 x Portland Class
Destroyer: 10 x Fletcher Class
Submarine: 10 x Gato Class
Naval Transport: 10 x Liberty Ship Type
United Kingdom
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x British
Tank: 10 x Matilda II
Artillery: 10 x 105mm Howitzer (US)
Air Units:
Bomber: 8 x Handley Page Halifax
Fighter: 12 x Supermarine Spitfire
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 4 x Illustrious Class
Battleship: 4 x Royal Sovereign Class [large version]
Cruiser: 8 x County Class – Kent Group
Destroyer: 10 x Fletcher Class (US)
Submarine: 10 x Gato Class (US)
Naval Transport: 10 x Liberty Ship Type (US)
Soviet Union
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x Russian
Tank: 14 x T-34
Artillery: 14 x 105mm Howitzer (US)
Air Units:
Bomber: 4 x Petlyakov Pe-8
Fighter: 12 x Yakovlev Yak-3
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Illustrious Class (UK)
Battleship: 2 x Gangut Class
Cruiser: 4 x Kirov Class
Destroyer: 6 x Gnevny Class
Submarine: 6 x Gato Class (US)
Naval Transport: 6 x Liberty Ship Type (US)
Germany
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x German
Tank: 14 x PzKpfw V Panther [2nd version sculpt]
Artillery: 12 x 88mm FLAK [1st version sculpt]
Air Units:
Bomber: 6 x Junkers Ju-88
Fighter: 12 x Messerschmitt Bf-109
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Graf Zeppelin Class
Battleship: 4 Bismarck Class [large version]
Cruiser: 6 x Admiral Hipper Class [cruiser stern version]
Destroyer: 10 x Type 1934A Class
Submarine: 12 x Type VII
Naval Transport: 8 x Dithmarschen Type
Japan
Land units:
Infantry: 25 x Japanese
Tank: 8 x Type 95 Kyu-Go
Artillery: 10 x 70mm Type 92 Battalion Gun [open-strut version]
Air Units:
Bomber: 6 x Mitsubishi G4M Betty
Fighter: 12 x Mitsubishi A6M Zero
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 6 x Shinano Class
Battleship: 6 x Yamato Class
Cruiser: 8 x Takao Class
Destroyer: 10 x Fubuki Class
Submarine: 10 x I-Category
Naval Transport: 10 x Hakusan Maru Type
Italy
Land units:
Infantry: 20 x Italian
Tank: 6 x Carro Armato M14/41
Artillery: 6 x 70mm Type 92 Battalion Gun (Japan) [open-strut version]
Air Units:
Bomber: 4 x Mitsubishi G4M Betty (Japan)
Fighter: 6 x Messerschmitt Bf-109 (Germany)
Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Graf Zeppelin Class (Germany)
Battleship: 2 x Bismarck Class (Germany)
Cruiser: 2 x Admiral Hipper Class (Germany) [transom stern version]
Destroyer: 6 x Type 1934A Class (Germany)
Submarine: 6 x Type VII (Germany)
Naval Transport: 4 x Dithmarschen Type (Germany)
China
Land units:
Infantry: 15 x Chinese
Common Generic Units [grey]
Industrial Complexes: 14 [retangular base hole version]
Anti-Aircraft Artillery: 14
@CWO:
Next table:
Italy
Land units:
Infantry: 20 x Italian
Tank: 6 x Carro Armato M14/41
Artillery: 6 x 70mm Type 92 Battalion Gun (Japan) [open-strut version]Air Units:
Bomber: 4 x Mitsubishi G4M Betty (Japan)
Fighter: 6 x Messerschmitt Bf-109 (Germany)Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Graf Zeppelin Class (Germany)
Battleship: 2 x Bismarck Class (Germany)
Cruiser: 2 x Admiral Hipper Class (Germany) [transom stern version]
Destroyer: 6 x Type 1934A Class (Germany)
Submarine: 6 x Type VII (Germany)
Naval Transport: 4 x Dithmarschen Type (Germany)
This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks Mark… you’re ok in my book, despite what GeneralHandGrenade thinks… :-D
For anyone who is interested, I did an in-boxing vid on YouTube.
Here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaGdIdtpqR4&t=287s
I tried to cover the pieces and what sculpts that they were, or at least what sculpts were common to some countries, but I am no expert.
Seems like you guys got it pretty well covered here.
Also, has anyone been seeing any damage on the new games, particularly the parts/container boxes and rule book.
It seems to me that the box may have been packed incorrectly. The box lid support cardboard strips that were inside should have been on the cardboard punch out sheets and not the parts boxes. Got some creases and indentations. the box lid is fine, so the supports worked for that, but the parts boxes did not hold up.
Also, one of the Japanese infantry and a British fighter seems to be defective.
I am going to contact WotC/AH customer service in the morning, the book says they run 7 days a week.
@CWO:
Next table:
Italy
Land units:
Infantry: 20 x Italian
Tank: 6 x Carro Armato M14/41
Artillery: 6 x 70mm Type 92 Battalion Gun (Japan) [open-strut version]Air Units:
Bomber: 4 x Mitsubishi G4M Betty (Japan)
Fighter: 6 x Messerschmitt Bf-109 (Germany)Sea Units:
Aircraft Carrier: 2 x Graf Zeppelin Class (Germany)
Battleship: 2 x Bismarck Class (Germany)
Cruiser: 2 x Admiral Hipper Class (Germany) [transom stern version]
Destroyer: 6 x Type 1934A Class (Germany)
Submarine: 6 x Type VII (Germany)
Naval Transport: 4 x Dithmarschen Type (Germany)This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks Mark… you’re ok in my book, despite what GeneralHandGrenade thinks… :-D
Hey! Don’t make me come over there and mess up your formula with logic, Wolfy.
Ok, I looked over my auxillery bin… I don’t have 1940 Global, I don’t have AA50 (yet), but I did (for some reason) collect a small set of Italians… probably just so that I could add them as “flavor” units for Germany in 1942 (“southern Germans” if you will).
Anyways, all the Italians I collected are from 1940SE, so they are, in-fact, Italian… since I didn’t buy any copy of the game, every Italian I have is what I thought I might want/need for “southern Germans” with lee-way. Oddly enough, I was VERY CLOSE to the unit set that comes with the new AA50, here’s my list… some are dead on, others are very close plus or minus a unit or two:
I have for Italy:
10 Infantry
6 Tanks (M15/42)
4 Art (Cannone da 75/32)
2 AA
6 Fighters (C.202)
3 Bombers (P.108)
3 CVs (Aquila)
3 BBs (Littorio)
4 CAs (Zara)
6 DDs (Soldati)
4 Subs (Marconi)
4 Transports (Iridio Mantovani)
Units I was short on compared to AA50
10 Inf (I suppose I wouldn’t need any, since AA50 has the same Italian infantry I already have?)
2 Art
1 Bomber
2 Subs
Aside from possibly the infantry, looks like i’ll have to pick up a few units to match, since I wouldn’t want to use German/Japanese units for Italy, especially when i’m so close to the numbers in AA50 already.
@The:
Also, has anyone been seeing any damage on the new games, particularly the parts/container boxes and rule book.
It seems to me that the box may have been packed incorrectly. The box lid support cardboard strips that were inside should have been on the cardboard punch out sheets and not the parts boxes. Got some creases and indentations. the box lid is fine, so the supports worked for that, but the parts boxes did not hold up.
Yep, mine arrived with indent damage to all the storage boxes and rulebook. The worst was to the UK box. I contacted WotC support and they’re sending out replacements apparently.
I saw one in a board game store today, and the price is $100.
120$ Canadian dollars in Montreal.
