Global War 1940 2nd ed.

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@Baron:

IS-1 and IS-2 were heavy Tank.
Since Soviets were able to outproduce Germany, I find it OK that Tiger are limited to 1 per turn while IS-1 to 2 per Turn.
I saw that IS have some mechanical issues, so cannot beat Tigers.

Ya that I knew. But some use the KV1 and 2s which is wrong.

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With the oil derricks in game on Sumatra, Java and Borneo and territories worth 4 ea plus 1 for ea derrick now you can SBR them plus other ones on map. So now if Japan captures them the allies can bomb them or vice versa. The money is taken away from there income like a convoy box. Japan wants the island money then they should earn it for there oil. Keep repairing it or defend it or leave it damaged. It seems to for e Japan to buy more ground troops for land money later in game and keeps them from buying some navy.

Also with a Oil Derrick in Romania I am also putting one in Berlin or Germany territory. From what I read 60% oil came from coal at refineries in Leuon and the allies bombed it the whole war.
25% oil came from Romania and even Norway were late in war allies bombed there too. So now the refinery ( oil derrick ) in Berlin can be SBR to for up to 5 damage. 
Russia has 3 territories and Uk 3 territories with oil derricks that also can be SBR.
I feel any oil penalty should be more than 1-2 icps if you dont have derricks all over the map and can control these in low numbers.

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Couldnt get anybody to play test this past weekend so I grabbed my son and said try to make some plays but I need you to roll dice for what its worth. I need to try a All Pacific allies attack in a game test because nobody has done it yet in all the 40 games we have played so far.
For what it worth, Japan on T1 got the worst Event Card out of 22 cards in deck to get "Cant move ships off Carolina Islands.
So now this prevented  Japan from attacking the US Fleet off of Line Islands. Then on US T1, they attacked the Japan Fleet off of Carolina Islands. Sweet. Now even better for a KJF or What ever in the Pacific.

Russia got Rockets Tech T1 and now damaged the Romanian Oil Refinery for 5 damage against Germanys income. Russia bought another AA gun for Stalingrad because the original AA moved so it can now at least bomb 1 of Germanys Minor IC.
So now on T1 the FEC build a Minor IC in Madras worth 2 icps plus with IC in Calcutta worth 3 icps they can build now 5 pieces per turn. ( Can only build Up to the territories value ) Plus on T1 UK landed 4 inf from South Africa to Madras and moved 2 inf and 1 tank from Mideast towards Madras. Plus Anzac just landed 6 ground in Madasgar and will be able to land them in Madras. In Europe map pic. Once FEC gets control in India they can always counter or move ground to Cairo and reclaim. With US pressure and hoping a small Anzac fleet can pressure the Oil Refinery money Islands. Also Cant build capital ships in S AF, Calcutta and Anzac.
Granted UK pretty much abandoned Cairo. But Cairo is only worth 1 VC point. Calcutta worth 2 VC points. This will make the Axis  work even harder to get that 1 VC point because also they didnt get Calcutta worth 2 VC points. US just took Wake Island with some Marines. US got there NA can build 1 extra Marine per turn in the Pacific only or 1 extra US Ranger on the Europe side. So you can do any combo of 3 total.
This like what GHG is talking about in G40 game thread with Calcutta Persia IC NB strategy.

Use the Naval Bases to your advantage off of Australia, Madras, Madagascor, Cairo, Upper Egypt and S AF as allies. ( FEC Anzac )

So now the question is Do I need to make Cairo worth 2 VC points or leave it and for the Axis to get that extra 1 VC point make up by forcing them to go all out for London 3 VC points or Moscow 3 VC points. Axis would need Italy to hold Cairo but would still need a major support to Germany to get Moscow. But then the US could do a flip and buy all Europe on T3-5 and push or just land in Europe making both Italy and Germany have to defend Paris and stopping the Moscow crush.
Map pics

Epic.

[baron Münchhausen]

So now the question is Do I need to make Cairo worth 2 VC points or leave it and for the Axis to get that extra 1 VC point make up by forcing them to go all out for London 3 VC points or Moscow 3 VC points. Axis would need Italy to hold Cairo but would still need a major support to Germany to get Moscow. But then the US could do a flip and buy all Europe on T3-5 and push or just land in Europe making both Italy and Germany have to defend Paris and stopping the Moscow crush.

With Derricks as a major way to hinder Axis, both Germany and Japan, I would wait to see how Allies can use it to outweigh Axis holding many VCs.

If, after a game or two, it is obvious that Axis Victory is too easily achieve by not gaining either Moscow or London, I would then rise Cairo and require an additional VC points to win for Axis.
So the options will be either all minor VCs or, at least one major VCs (London or Moscow).

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With Making Cairo worth 2 this would put the Axis more in a holding defense pattern but still would have some kind of major battles for the Mideast Oil territories for that 1 VC point bonus for Axis plus they still need to conquer enough territories to get that other 1 VC bonus point for total income of 178.
Axis VC points total with Cairo at 2 for future change
26
+1 Oil bonus
+1 Income bonus
+2 Stalingrad

30 points for win.

With US going Pacific now the Philliphines could be another major battle for.

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Heres UK Anzac trying to stop the Calcutta crush. Anzac figs can make it to Madras. Whats not in picture is 2 divisions of Italian tanks maybe coming towards India or take 1 point VC Oil Bonus and run north to Stalingrad.
Or maybe the Italian Tanks division should of went towards S AF for that 1 VC point they need for a win and just defend the Mideast oil and hold S AF. UK could leave Madras altogether and make havic for axis.

So now we leave Cairo worth 1 VC point and see how this turns out.

The 5 move for land planes is helping across the whole Map with a move of 6 from Airbases making the Pacific even more options.

With the game where you are not able to buy AB s and land planes can M5 this makes you have to strategize more with just the AB s on map. History wise there wasnt ABs everywhere you want them.

[baron Münchhausen]

Clearly M5 Land-based Aircraft are giving a new breath in PTO where there is a lot of SZs to cross between land masses.
This +1M from AB to AB is quite interesting. It makes them strategically more important and capturing AB might stop a lot of travelling aircraft across the map.

[baron Münchhausen]

How do you use your Convoy Boxes in GW40?

Do you use only SZs touching Convoy Boxes or do you require that Subs be inside Convoys Boxes??

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

How do you use your Convoy Boxes in GW40?

Do you use only SZs touching Convoy Boxes or do you require that Subs be inside Convoys Boxes??

For now just inside convoy boxes.
If Germany gets there NA Sub Interdiction then just touching outside of convoy boxes would drain to much income from UK

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Played around with another turn and pics show results. Yes it is better if you can do convoy raiding inside boxes for damage and 1 damage ea ship or sub touching a convoy box. Gives the Axis more convoy raiding and does make Allies come get me. This also helps on pacific side to the point of at least getting a 1 or 2 damage on a convoy box without being inside one for US and Japan. Its better to have a sub do damage then a Dest if theres figs in the area and no Tac B. As you can see the US is got some kind of threat for raiders in the Atlantic side but also Italians are buying a few subs too to keep some kind of pressure on allies while allies buying more in Pacific side for the KJF plan. Plus US needs those Tacs also too.
With Germany taking Gibr and Azores island, it is preventing landing spots for the allies to use there Tac Bombers against German Wolf packs! Hey what do you know. Action finally in thee Atlantic !

Japan had to attack Madras and UK fleet off Madras to stop the massive flow. The Italians came down to Arabia but now that was a mistake because on next turn that is not posted yet do to not being done the Russians counter the Germans in the Caucasus and rolled like 80% hits wiping out a ton of major pieces for Germany. So as history was kinda,  the Italians cannot go help Japan in India probably never unless its a kill all game. Germany does need Italy’s help on all 4 fronts that they can support.
So now the Italians will have to abandon Arabia and go back to Mideast and help Germany get Stalingrad if its not to late.

Epic naval battle between Japan and UK in India sea zone. The one round of DF before naval battle hurt Japan most because they were the strongest in the air battle but didnt get as many hits as they needed to really wipe out the UK indan Fleet in the naval battle. Epic History Action ! Ea side got transport hits @1 on a few planes and  ea side got 3 transport escapes @2. UK has 5 transports off of S AF but cant do nothing do to no navy protection for now.

US trying to get there H. Bombers to Tokyo but Japan countering some what. US does need Russia landing spot.

Japan will just need to go on the defense for a while.

Germany does have there German Influence NA ( like lend lease ) which means they can buy 2 pieces a turn and place in Italian IC’s.
So now they bought 2 subs and placed in Rome SZ. With Italian subs combo now keep the pressure on convoy raiding like it should be.

With figs not being able to hit subs the Tac is kinda a nice piece now with the Stg B hitting them as well. Plus as mentioned the Carriers only being able to hold naval D B and N figs and only moving 4 is huge in the game. Japan cant just go and Jam every plane in a battle. You have to plan your naval attacks on naval better ( land too ) and plan ahead. Also with ground planes M5 -6 with AB you are just constantly looking for all planes that can counter against you every where. You really need to think and look now. With the added stuff yes the game is a little slower but will speed up once people get used to the new added stuff to game.

With Russia getting Rockets Tech on first turn was huge for them. Keep some pressure on Germany. Germany did lose 2 planes to SBR Rocket AA gun attacks. If Italy would of stay in Mideast then this wouldnt have been such a serious blow to the Germans.

Thats whats nice about this game. Every game is a bit different and you need to make those minor tweaks on A and D plus buys.

For what its worth it is getting more Historical now than ever.

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Med. Bomber
A 4d12s @2 ground only every round
A 2d12s @2 naval only every round
D 1d12  @2 or escape roll @2
M6
C10
Dog Fight @1  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d8 +1 damage
AA Gun D@2 against ea Med. Bomb

H. Bomber
A 3d12s @3 ground only every round
A 2d12s @3naval only every round
D 1d12   @3 or escape roll @3
M7
C12
Dog Fight @2  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d10 +1 damage
AA Gun D@1 against ea H Bomb

Tac Bomber  : Cannot land on Carriers.
A7 Can pick target with a return shot. Ground only.
A7 Roll of 3 or less can pick target with return shot. Naval only.
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot.
D5 Can pick target with a return shot. Ground only .
D5 Roll of 3 or less can pick target. Naval only.
M5
C11
Dog Fight @1  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d8 damage (Air - Naval ports, Train Stations and Oil Derricks)
SBR Kills AA gun on a roll of 4 or less
AA Gun D@1 against ea Tac Bomb

Naval Dive Bomber  : Can land on Carriers and ground.
A7 Roll 3 or less can pick target with a return shot. Ground and Naval.
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot
D5 Roll of 3 or less pick target with a return shot. Ground and Naval.
M4
C10
Dog Fight @1  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d8 damage ( Air - Naval ports, Oil Derricks)
SBR Kills AA gun on a roll of 4 or less
AA Gun D@1 against ea Dive Bomb

Naval Fighter  : Can land anywhere.
A5
D7
M4
C10
Dog Fight @3  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
AA Gun D@2 against ea N. Fig
Cannot hit surfaced subs.

Fighter
A6
D7
M5
C11
Dog Fight@3  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
AA Gun D@2 against ea Fig
Cannot hit surfaced subs.

AA Gun
A0
D@2 at each plane
D@1 at ea H Bomb, Tac & Dive Bomb
M1
C5

Air Transport
A0
D0
M5
C10  Can transport 2 Elites or 2 Paratroopers or 1 Elite 1 Paratrooper in combat and any combination of 2 inf or 1 inf 1 art in non combat. If you get Paratrooper Tech can transport 3 units any combo. Only 2 inf or 1 inf 1 art non combat still.

Ger. Grenadiar build 2 starting T2
A4
D4
M2
C4
Can Blitz

SS Panzer build 2 starting T2
A7
D6
M2
C6

Tiger Tank build 1 starting T3
A7
D7
M2
C9 2 hits

IS-1 Russia build 2 starting T3
A7
D7
M2
C6

Elite Inf
A4
D2
M1
C3    Build 2 only per turn. NA for US-Italy can build 3 a turn

Paratroopers
A2-3  A3 FSR only on AMP ASSLT
D4
M1
C3     Paratrooper Tech- Can air transport 3 Paratroopers

Art
A4
D4
M1-2 towed by Mech and SPA
C4

SPA
A4-5
D4-5  Tank  boost +1 on A/D 1:1
M2
C5  Can tow Art and blitz

German Wolf Packs 2 or more subs attacking.
A6  FS
A7  FS if get NA Wolf Pack or Sub Tech get A7 FS  D3
D2
M2
C7
Subs cannot hit subs
Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Cannot submerge until next round of combat.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @2  Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

Subs
A5  FS  Sub Tech - A6  FS  D3
D2
M2
C7
Subs cannot hit subs.
Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @2  Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

Battleships
A9
D9
M2
C15   2 hits

Cruisers
A7
D7
M3
C9

Destroyers
A3
D3
M2
C6
Can pick 1 of 2 choices per round of combat.
1. Depth Charge A or D submerged subs @3 only.
2. Attack or Defend on the surface only.

Carrier
A2
D4
M2
C14   2 hits

Transport
A0
D1  at plane only if not taken as casualty
M2
C7
ES2 only if Transport is alone and being attacked by
only subs or planes and is not killed per round.

Japan doesnt receive H. Bombers.

This has been updated.  May 13,  2018

These values are for next game. We will see if H Bomber A against navy is to strong.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

Finally had a sub dest tac only battle. Italy got a free tech at start of T5 now and got Super Subs Tech. So now they get subs at A6 D3. So they decide to Attack with
Italy
1 Tac
3 Subs
vs
US
2 Subs
3 Dest

Rd 1 Attack
1 Tac FS roll a 3. 1 hit  
US sub submerges instead of D@2 with FS
US loses a sub no return fire.
3 subs roll 2,4,10  2 hits
US has to take 2 Dest for casualties.

Rd 2 attack
Tac no FS at Surfaced subs.
1 sub rolls FS 4. I hit no return fire
US takes last Dest out of game.

Now the US submerged sub decides to stay submerged due to Tac bomber flying over head.
So the question is because I probably forgot the sub would need to resurface no matter what if he tried an escape roll and failed.

Thanks for giving me the roster above.
It really helps understand.

I forgot that, in your GW40, TcB and NavalDB have no first strike outside Subs.
In your rule, it is easy to determine what value you use with TcB whether @3 or @7.
It was a long shot from Italy, here. I would have been more cautious and choose to attack US DD with an higher odds.
But it payed off for Italy, sinking this Sub.

You wrote: “US sub submerges instead of D@2 with FS”
But, according to “Sub cannot hit Sub”, they were only sitting duck against Italian TcB (which might have elect to attack Destroyers in regular combat). So there was no target for US Sub and makes sense to submerge.

You wrote: “1 sub rolls FS 4. 1 hit no return fire”
I cannot see why it was possible for Italian Sub to get a FS, since US Destroyer blocked it.
Unless it is an NA?

Played around with another turn and pics show results. Yes it is better if you can do convoy raiding inside boxes for damage and 1 damage ea ship or sub touching a convoy box. Gives the Axis more convoy raiding and does make Allies come get me. This also helps on pacific side to the point of at least getting a 1 or 2 damage on a convoy box without being inside one for US and Japan. Its better to have a sub do damage then a Dest if theres figs in the area and no Tac B. As you can see the US is got some kind of threat for raiders in the Atlantic side but also Italians are buying a few subs too to keep some kind of pressure on allies while allies buying more in Pacific side for the KJF plan. Plus US needs those Tacs also too.
With Germany taking Gibr and Azores island, it is preventing landing spots for the allies to use there Tac Bombers against German Wolf packs! Hey what do you know. Action finally in thee Atlantic !

I really like what you are describing.  :-) :-) :-)
More action in ATO, Azores and Gibraltar making sense to be captured to prevent Allies from using TcBs on u-boats.
Expanding Convoy Raiding boxes to adjacent SZs seems a winning idea.
(It feels like a target with a bull eyes when a Sub reach the central Convoy box.)

With figs not being able to hit subs the Tac is kinda a nice piece now with the Stg B hitting them as well. Plus as mentioned the Carriers only being able to hold naval D B and N figs and only moving 4 is huge in the game. Japan cant just go and Jam every plane in a battle. You have to plan your naval attacks on naval better ( land too ) and plan ahead. Also with ground planes M5 -6 with AB you are just constantly looking for all planes that can counter against you every where. You really need to think and look now. With the added stuff yes the game is a little slower but will speed up once people get used to the new added stuff to game.

It seems very interesting to specialize TcB vs Fighters (Naval or Land-based).
Not being able to hit Subs has a direct impact about how you make plans against aircraft or submarines.
There is more tactical decisions for battle and planning when purchasing.
Fighters provides a pretty good defense against all warships and planes, but have an Achilles’ heel: Sub!

A fleet with Carrier have to balance between Fg, DD and TcB to be well-rounded.

All this ring very promising: “For what its worth it is getting more Historical now than ever.”

According to my taste, there is probably a few special things to cut out, so you can speed up more the game.
But having more units and more possibilities is a great addition and it is normal that this slow the pace a bit. Clearly, I would not change these interesting variants between Naval and Land-based aircraft, as well as TcB vs Fighter specialization.

If I would change something, it would be around the sequence and too much combat values variation.
But this is another story…  :-D

For instance:

A7 Roll 4 or less can pick target with a return shot
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot
D5 Roll of 3 or less pick target with a return shot

I would make all: roll of 3 or less can pick target… (Easier to remember.)

I’m very happy you and all friends enjoyed all these new changes.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

@Baron:

@SS:

We got that right right ? Tac can only hit ground ? and now Surfaced sub @3.

I just need a yes or no on Tac hitting navy ? I know ive been playing it with ground only but I believe I forgot in game. Cant see why a Tac cant hit navy to.

Hurts Germans. But if its history then its history.

I never tried TcB targeting navy.

If about history, Dunkirk movie showed Stuka attacking Destroyers and TP.

From game POV, Tac are just land-based Dive bombers.
So, they can be part of naval combat.

Ha ha you trying to avoid an answer ? Lol. Well I need to decide. Was thinking of giving them a lower value like Stg bomb like a A5 D5 pick target. Just thinkin

Now, I better understand the question.

I would make something like:
TcB would be same as Naval Dive Bomber in Naval combat:
A7 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot
D5 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot

And for simplicity, I would use @3 everywhere.

So, only TcB in land combat would pick target at their nominal combat values:
A@7
D@5

But, Naval Divebomber in land combat would keep:
A7 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot
D5 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot

So, @3 would be everywhere for special situation. Easier to remember.

What do you think?

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

Sorry that Tac hitting FS surfaced subs is nawing at me know. Why not just have Naval Dive Bombers can only hit surfaced subs. Can switch out US UK starting Tacs or most with Dive Bombers.

On that one, I would wait about forbidding Land-based TcB not being able to FS Subs with @3.
You are already splitting Fg from TcB.

IMO, DeHavilland Mosquitoes (UK’s TcB sculpt) was used in Anti-Sub mission.
They cannot be carrier-based as was the US TBF Avenger.

Coastal Command had seven squadrons equipped with the FB.VI, and later also received the 27 FB.XVIIIs. The Mosquitos were used for anti-shipping strikes, mainly against coastal traffic. Because this brought them within the range of land-based Luftwaffe fighters, good performance was essential. But the coastal convoys were also well protected with anti-aircraft guns, and attacks were dangerous.

The Mosquito fights the U-boats
From November 1943 on wards the Mosquito was also used to attack U-boats shortly after, or just before they entered a port. Warning of these opportunities was provided by code breakers. At that moment the U-boats travelled on the surface, and therefore were vulnerable to rockets or the 57mm shells of the FB.XVIII. For safety, the U-boats usually formed small convoys, with an escort of mine sweepers or so called Sperrbrecher ships, which had hulls reinforced with concrete as a protection against mines; both types bristled with anti-aircraft guns. For example, on 27 March 1944 six FB.VIs and two FB.XVIIIs attacked a convoy towards La Pallice, formed by U-960 with a escort of four M-class mine sweepers and two Sprerrbrecher vessels. Three mine sweepers suffered light damage, U-960 was badly damaged, two Mosquitos returned home with serious damage, and one crash-landed.

https://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/mosquito.htm

Also, TacB sculpts works for all Medium bombers with less range than StB, 4 engines bomber.

The B-25 enters battle …
The first unit to receive B-25s was the 17th Bombardment Group (Medium). After Pearl Harbour this moved to the west coast to fly submarine patrols, and on 24 December one sank a Japanese submarine. Later the 17th moved to the east coast, where they sank a German submarine. Other B-25s, including 40 originally built for the Dutch, were sent to the South-West Pacific area. Operating from bases in Australia and New Guinea, they tried to halt the Japanese advance. They were joined by a Dutch unit. Later other B-25s groups operated in the Central Pacific, and over the Aleutian islands. In June 1942, B-25s appeared in Burma, and in August 1942, the 12th Group began operations in North Africa, were they were joined by the 340th Group in March 1943. The USAAF observed that the faster B-26 was more suitable for operations in Europe, and operated the B-25 mainly in the Mediterranean and the Pacific.

As an early revenge for Pearl Harbour, one of the most unusual operations of the war was planned. Sixteen B-25Bs were modified by installing extra fuel tanks, for 4319 liters instead of the usual 2627. The volunteer crews received additional training. The bombers were loaded on the aircraft carrier USS Hornet, and on 18 April 1941, the bombers lead by Major J. Doolittle took off to their targets in Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka and Kobe. The plan was to land in China, where the bombers would be a welcome reinforcement; but because USS Hornet was detected by the Japanese the aircraft had too take off early, and none reached its destination. Although damage was light and all aircraft were lost, the “Doolittle Raid” was a big boost for the American morale. It also was a serious concern for the Japanese, who became acutely aware that an American force could come to within strike distance of Japan almost undetected.

In 1942 a small number of B-25Bs was sent to Britain, which deployed them in North Africa and eventually in India. Operations in West Europe were postponed until the more capable B-25C arrived. The 2nd Group of Bomber Command flew its first mission on 22 January 1943, against oil storage facilities in Belgium. It soon adopted very tight formations for mutual support, and their aircraft retained the ventral turrets. The RAF continued to use the Mitchell until the end of the war, receiving B-25H and B-25J models. Total deliveries were 872, but a substantial number of these were sent to the Bahamas for anti-submarine patrols.
Some were also sent to the USSR. The USSR would receive 862 B-25s, and after the war the NATO allocated the type the recognition name Bank.

In the summer of 1942 the USAAF and the USN came to an agreement which allowed the Navy to operate land-based bombers. In early 1943 the Marine Corps began to receive its first B-25Cs, which were given the Navy designation PBJ-1C. On 17 March 1944 the “Flying Nightmares” of VMB-143 flew their first operational mission, against Rabaul. A total of 706 aircraft were delivered to the USN and USMC. These aircraft were painted grey, or later sea blue. Radar was installed, and depending on the type it was under the aft fuselage, on the wing tip, or in the nose. Their normal armament consisted of depth charges, but they could also carry a torpedo. Nine USMC squadrons used the PBJ-1 in combat.

https://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/b25.htm

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@Baron:

@SS:

Finally had a sub dest tac only battle. Italy got a free tech at start of T5 now and got Super Subs Tech. So now they get subs at A6 D3. So they decide to Attack with
Italy
1 Tac
3 Subs
vs
US
2 Subs
3 Dest

Rd 1 Attack
1 Tac FS roll a 3. 1 hit  
US sub submerges instead of D@2 with FS
US loses a sub no return fire.
3 subs roll 2,4,10  2 hits
US has to take 2 Dest for casualties.

Rd 2 attack
Tac no FS at Surfaced subs.
1 sub rolls FS 4. I hit no return fire
US takes last Dest out of game.

Now the US submerged sub decides to stay submerged due to Tac bomber flying over head.
So the question is because I probably forgot the sub would need to resurface no matter what if he tried an escape roll and failed.

Thanks for giving me the roster above.
It really helps understand.

I forgot that, in your GW40, TcB and NavalDB have no first strike outside Subs.
In your rule, it is easy to determine what value you use with TcB whether @3 or @7.
It was a long shot from Italy, here. I would have been more cautious and choose to attack US DD with an higher odds.
But it payed off for Italy, sinking this Sub.

You wrote: “US sub submerges instead of D@2 with FS”
But, according to “Sub cannot hit Sub”, they were only sitting duck against Italian TcB (which might have elect to attack Destroyers in regular combat). So there was no target for US Sub and makes sense to submerge.

You wrote: “1 sub rolls FS 4. 1 hit no return fire”
I cannot see why it was possible for Italian Sub to get a FS, since US Destroyer blocked it.
Unless it is an NA?
No. Thr Italians had 2 subs against 1 US destroyer for 2nd round of combat.

Played around with another turn and pics show results. Yes it is better if you can do convoy raiding inside boxes for damage and 1 damage ea ship or sub touching a convoy box. Gives the Axis more convoy raiding and does make Allies come get me. This also helps on pacific side to the point of at least getting a 1 or 2 damage on a convoy box without being inside one for US and Japan. Its better to have a sub do damage then a Dest if theres figs in the area and no Tac B. As you can see the US is got some kind of threat for raiders in the Atlantic side but also Italians are buying a few subs too to keep some kind of pressure on allies while allies buying more in Pacific side for the KJF plan. Plus US needs those Tacs also too.
With Germany taking Gibr and Azores island, it is preventing landing spots for the allies to use there Tac Bombers against German Wolf packs! Hey what do you know. Action finally in thee Atlantic !

I really like what you are describing.  :-) :-) :-)
More action in ATO, Azores and Gibraltar making sense to be captured to prevent Allies from using TcBs on u-boats.
Expanding Convoy Raiding boxes to adjacent SZs seems a winning idea.
(It feels like a target with a bull eyes when a Sub reach the central Convoy box.)

With figs not being able to hit subs the Tac is kinda a nice piece now with the Stg B hitting them as well. Plus as mentioned the Carriers only being able to hold naval D B and N figs and only moving 4 is huge in the game. Japan cant just go and Jam every plane in a battle. You have to plan your naval attacks on naval better ( land too ) and plan ahead. Also with ground planes M5 -6 with AB you are just constantly looking for all planes that can counter against you every where. You really need to think and look now. With the added stuff yes the game is a little slower but will speed up once people get used to the new added stuff to game.

It seems very interesting to specialize TcB vs Fighters (Naval or Land-based).
Not being able to hit Subs has a direct impact about how you make plans against aircraft or submarines.
There is more tactical decisions for battle and planning when purchasing.
Fighters provides a pretty good defense against all warships and planes, but have an Achilles’ heel: Sub!

A fleet with Carrier have to balance between Fg, DD and TcB to be well-rounded.

All this ring very promising: “For what its worth it is getting more Historical now than ever.”

According to my taste, there is probably a few special things to cut out, so you can speed up more the game.
But having more units and more possibilities is a great addition and it is normal that this slow the pace a bit. Clearly, I would not change these interesting variants between Naval and Land-based aircraft, as well as TcB vs Fighter specialization.

If I would change something, it would be around the sequence and too much combat values variation.
But this is another story…  :-D

For instance:

A7 Roll 4 or less can pick target with a return shot
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot
D5 Roll of 3 or less pick target with a return shot

I would make all: roll of 3 or less can pick target… (Easier to remember.)

I’m very happy you and all friends enjoyed all these new changes.

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

@SS:

@Baron:

@SS:

We got that right right ? Tac can only hit ground ? and now Surfaced sub @3.

I just need a yes or no on Tac hitting navy ? I know ive been playing it with ground only but I believe I forgot in game. Cant see why a Tac cant hit navy to.

Hurts Germans. But if its history then its history.

I never tried TcB targeting navy.

If about history, Dunkirk movie showed Stuka attacking Destroyers and TP.

From game POV, Tac are just land-based Dive bombers.
So, they can be part of naval combat.

Ha ha you trying to avoid an answer ? Lol. Well I need to decide. Was thinking of giving them a lower value like Stg bomb like a A5 D5 pick target. Just thinkin

Now, I better understand the question.

I would make something like:
TcB would be same as Naval Dive Bomber in Naval combat:
A7 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot
D5 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot

And for simplicity, I would use @3 everywhere.

So, only TcB in land combat would pick target at their nominal combat values:
A@7
D@5

But, Naval Divebomber in land combat would keep:
A7 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot
D5 Roll 3 or less pick target with a return shot

So, @3 would be everywhere for special situation. Easier to remember.

What do you think?

Ya I agree. I made changes.

[baron Münchhausen]

You wrote: “1 sub rolls FS 4. 1 hit no return fire”
I cannot see why it was possible for Italian Sub to get a FS, since US Destroyer blocked it.
Unless it is an NA?
No. The Italians had 2 subs against 1 US destroyer for 2nd round of combat.

Is it a special Wolf-pack attack which allows First strike for Subs when 2 or more, even against Destroyers?

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

You wrote: “1 sub rolls FS 4. 1 hit no return fire”
I cannot see why it was possible for Italian Sub to get a FS, since US Destroyer blocked it.
Unless it is an NA?
No. The Italians had 2 subs against 1 US destroyer for 2nd round of combat.

Is it a special Wolf-pack attack which allows First strike for Subs when 2 or more, even against Destroyers?

No Italians had 3 subs attacking 1st Rd lost 1 sub do to US 1 hit
So Italy had 2 subs attacking 1 dest 2 Nd Rd so 1 sub gets a FS

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

@Baron:

You wrote: “1 sub rolls FS 4. 1 hit no return fire”
I cannot see why it was possible for Italian Sub to get a FS, since US Destroyer blocked it.
Unless it is an NA?
No. The Italians had 2 subs against 1 US destroyer for 2nd round of combat.

Is it a special Wolf-pack attack which allows First strike for Subs when 2 or more, even against Destroyers?

No Italians had 3 subs attacking 1st Rd lost 1 sub do to US 1 hit
So Italy had 2 subs attacking 1 dest 2 Nd Rd so 1 sub gets a FS

OK, I see.
Destroyer are blocking on a 1:1 basis.
Italian Subs being 1 more than US DD, 1 First strike allowed.

For how long do you use this FS rule for Subs vs DD?

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

@SS:

@Baron:

You wrote: “1 sub rolls FS 4. 1 hit no return fire”
I cannot see why it was possible for Italian Sub to get a FS, since US Destroyer blocked it.
Unless it is an NA?
No. The Italians had 2 subs against 1 US destroyer for 2nd round of combat.

Is it a special Wolf-pack attack which allows First strike for Subs when 2 or more, even against Destroyers?

No Italians had 3 subs attacking 1st Rd lost 1 sub do to US 1 hit
So Italy had 2 subs attacking 1 dest 2 Nd Rd so 1 sub gets a FS

OK, I see.
Destroyer are blocking on a 1:1 basis.
Italian Subs being 1 more than US DD, 1 First strike allowed.

For how long do you use this FS rule for Subs vs DD?

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Every turn