Am I the only one pissed that this has turned into a KGF?

The game is balanced, its just you that play it wrong.

Not me - I think this is a KIF game all the way!  :D

For 1942: not sure about balance, but KJF seems posible. Your choice if you want stick to old KGF

For 1941: axis has advantage in KJF, but If fear that they will have even more advantage if allies go KGF (that 65-70 IPCs Godzilla-Japan is scary  :oops: ).

@crimhead:

Not me - I think this is a KIF game all the way!  :D

I am actually leaning that way now that I’ve successfully gotten Italy up to 124 IPC income per round.  They’re nasty those Italians!  Do not underestimate the fascists!

Whoa!  :-o A monster Italy! If monster Japan is Godzilla, Italy is …. mmmm… Super Mario?  :mrgreen:

How in the 9 hells could you get Italy to 124?…

I mean… even if you had Africa and you had raped russians, then took india, considering the plundering bonus it would be impossible to get to 124…

guess it must be a typo…

I don’t think Italy could get to 124 ipc against decent players  :roll:

Am I the only one pissed that this has turned into a KGF?

Trust me, you’re definitely not the only one irritated by this.

The game is balanced, its just you that play it wrong.

Man that statement is so far off the mark, its almost not worth addressing.  :-D
By that logic, every version of A&A is balanced. All you have to do is ignore the winning strategies, which the game mechanics recommend, and make esoteric purchasing decisions in the first round. But there’s a reason nobody does that… because they want to win the game.

The one directional playstyle should be taken seriously, and accounted for/discouraged by the rules and the starting unit set up. Especially since this has been like the one unequivocal complaint that everyone keeps voicing, across all the editions so far.  Fix the KGF already!  Put more Allied production in the South Pacific, so the Allies are forced to fight a Pacific war. ;)

Sorry I’m new to the forum, what is kjf and kgf?

Kill Japan First and Kill Germany First

KGF is sending all you can to Germany while mainly ignore Japan

Any strat involving USA sending a fleet to Pacific ocean is usually called KJF

@Flying:

I think if I am Japan I send 80% of my fleet to the Atlantic. Go towards India, smash it, then to the Med.

If you see KGF going you can also send 100% of your fleet to Alaska, smash it, then threaten Canada, Western US and Mexico.

It can be global war if you make it global war.

i think a point to remember is, if every player is a descent and observant one, then the game can be kept global. as soon as an opening is left by any player, his/her enemies should rush at it like a bull at a gate

Its hard not to KGF when they are so weak and tempting.  Italy being a seperate power makes it much more advantageous.  You can take apart the european axis peicmeal.

I do not agree with you on the stated weakness of Italy.

Since they start with a decent fleet, it will take some time for the americans to mess with them and they will be able to take africa while defending france for the germans. Plus they start out of the gate with a fair amount of tanks. I actually think they are not to be underestimated.

Hell you can even combine with germany to launch two attacks on caucasus each turn.
they can get to a decent production if they can control Africa… like 20-25 ipcs.

But I really think that their main strenght is the fleet they can use to control the mediterranean.

@Black_Elk:

Am I the only one pissed that this has turned into a KGF?

Trust me, you’re definitely not the only one irritated by this.

I’ll be so freaking pissed if the dominant strategy for AA50 ends up being  KGF all again…  :x

just because a KGF strategy is still possible, doesn’t mean it’s the best course of action. if allies pay more of their attention to germany, then they will pay the price for turning a blind-eye to japan

@Flying:

The key to Japan and Italy is to never leave your fleet vulnerable to attack. Don’t leave any stragglers out there to be picked off. Always be using them but pull back even when the allies could be in position for an even battle. Make the allies BUILD a large enough fleet to conquer you……this takes lots of time. Time the allies don’t have. Play cat and mouse and you win. I see my in laws make this mistake every game.

With transports no longer available as fodder and bombers only $12, I think it will be even easier to kill a fleet.

This isn’t a KGF game. It can be a KIF. Hell I did a KJF but we were playing without the national objectives.