If Nader is the ONLY third party candidate, he will hurt Hitlery in the General Election. If Paul also runs as a Libertarian then the Republicans are net negative votes, and the Democrats almost certainly win the White House in 2008.
I don’t think Vader will hurt Celery Clipping, but i do think Huckleberry Hound should just give up because mathematically he has no chance and is only running for first dibs in 2012.
Actually Huckabee might be keeping in to prove to McCain that he is his logical choice for running mate, assuming he grabs some more delegates…
GG
@Jen:
Unfortunately, humans are involved and that totally screws up the system
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents.html
I suggest reading some of this book. Kropotkin argues that mutual aid and assistance of others within a species comes naturally to all animals and that war is avoidable if everyones stops competing and begins to pool resources. The need for competition and war over resources is a capitalist social construct.
Libertarianism (or classic liberalism) is definitely not socialism or communism. I dont know if you were trying to say that but your train of thought cut off mid sentence and confused me, hahaha.
Honestly, I don’t know where I really fall. I think corporations should be the only governments. That way you can live anywhere in the world you want and be in any government you want. No borders. No armies. You don’t like your company, you resign from that government and join a competing government.
Corporations as government is called corporatism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
Dunno, maybe that makes me a Super Capitalist?
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” - Benito Mussolini
think of GE and its campaign to “go green”. they are trying to please the democrats. and hope to be the corporation that will make tons of money from contracts from the government to make invent green products.
and this photo scares me. :|
@Jen:
Unfortunately, humans are involved and that totally screws up the system
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents.html
I suggest reading some of this book. Kropotkin argues that mutual aid and assistance of others within a species comes naturally to all animals and that war is avoidable if everyones stops competing and begins to pool resources. The need for competition and war over resources is a capitalist social construct.
is that why both China and USSR expanded and conquored nations around them?Libertarianism (or classic liberalism) is definitely not socialism or communism. I dont know if you were trying to say that but your train of thought cut off mid sentence and confused me, hahaha.
classic liberalism (not Demacrats) was born around the 1920’s or 30’s. this was around the time of “The Great Deal” where FDR inacted many socialist ideas into the US government. Social Sacurity and other government aid programs are part of that.
now i don’t think socialisam can work on any large scale. it can work if I am with a group of say 100 families as if i stop working then i will directly feel the pinch, but when you look at it on a national level then it inables people to be lazy, we see this already with people who work as little as posible and gather as much as they can from the government. this is why socalisam can not work for even a government as large as a state.
Liberalism and libertarianism are not the same. Libertarians want to reign in government spending. Liberalism, by definition, is spending as much money as possible.
“I do not know a single problem that cannot be eased by throwing money at it.” Senator Barrack Obama - IL Senate.
Anyway, Benito was a moron. No one quotes him. :P Corpratism or whatever is a catchy phrase. Anyway, the idea is that there would be no more counties, states, nations, alliances, etc. People would be free to live where they want too, work for who they want too and thus, change employment whenever it becomes beneficial for them to do so.
Companies, already handling security, health care, vacations, corporate espionage, etc can easily handle this. Meanwhile new industries would surely arise to contract out these services to smaller companies to keep them viable. Capitalism should end up ruling the day with Unions and Corporations meeting in arbitrations to ensure the best possible policies, products, services and human relations so that none are hurt.
Finally, Americans would be able to buy the cars they want because the companies would be free to build the cars the people want. No cafe standards, since there’s no US Government.
China and the USSR did not advocate Libertarian Socialism (or anarcho-communism), but a far more iron-fisted government run version of communism. If people are free, they will naturally realize it makes more sense to pool resources and work towards a better communtiy. The communism used in China and the USSR was simply another form of working class exploitation (except by a totalitarian government rather than the owners of capital), but under the guise of ‘class equality’ and redistribution.
I mean classic liberalism as in the type advocated by Thomas Paine, which is essentially libertarianism. The term was simply morphed into the 1920’s to mean soft socialism instead of the more laissez-faire economics of classic liberalism. Its the same way how ‘conservative’ went from following the protected rights of the constitution to the word, to its new definition in the media of any politician that doesnt like gay people. Its actually pretty sad that such definite terms have gotten lost in the haze of media.
EDIT: Well I think we can all agree that whether one favors people living in communes and a classless society or people having complete rights to their claimed property, government intervention into either field is one of society’s ills.
why would hillary even bring up the the whole lewinsky scandal? even if asked about her most difficult time. just bad memories. she did get a standing ovation for it though. why? reminding people you cant please your husband?
@Cmdr:
“I do not know a single problem that cannot be eased by throwing money at it.” Senator Barrack Obama - IL Senate.
I can think of a couple problems that would be eased if I threw Barack Obama at them…
Their is some picture of Hussein Obama wearing a Muslim costume.I still looking for it and will post. I knew something was up once nation of Islam endorsed him.
here it is. All he needs now is an RPG and hes good to go. :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen: ( that was a joke BTW)
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433485.ece
well, is he still the agent of change. and will democrats fall for that kind of talk again.
if i remember correctly, the reason the dems got congress in 2006 is people were sick of a bad plan in iraq and wanted change. the dems “promised” change like always, and then like always, spit in their supporters faces and then tell them to keep voting for them. and some people do, b/c jon stewart tells them to.
obama is not going to be an agent for change. unless change means ineptness. and thats not really change either.
All this talk of ‘change’… Reminds me of the South Park episode where the bums showed up and kept asking Cartman for change. Wouldn’t it be funny if Obama after all of this was talking about quarters and dimes, and he started throwing bags of coins out the windows of the white house telling people: “I promised change and here it is… now go choke on it… Allah Ackbar!” And shot an RPG out the white house window. That would make an excellent comic strip.
:roll: :evil:
Actually, I believe, that outfit was an elder’s outfit for a tribe in Africa and the turbin was added recently with photoshop. Could be wrong on that however. Wardrobe of my elected officials just does not score as high as statements like all problems can be solved by throwing more money at them, to tell you the truth.
BTW, if Hillary is elected, do we play “The Imperial March” or “The Ghost March” at her coronation?
@Cmdr:
BTW, if Hillary is elected, do we play “The Imperial March” or “The Ghost March” at her coronation?
Get Bill to play Yakety Sax (the Benny Hill theme) on his alto.
I guess we don’t need to discuss it any more…
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks
@Imperious:
Their is some picture of Hussein Obama wearing a Muslim costume.I still looking for it and will post. I knew something was up once nation of Islam endorsed him.
here it is. All he needs now is an RPG and hes good to go. :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen: ( that was a joke BTW)
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip
Was everything you said a joke, or just the RPG thing? FYI, Kenya is not a Muslim nation and that isn’t Muslim garb.
I guess we don’t need to discuss it any more…
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks
When I first saw that headline the other day I thought it was real. Which goes to show my confidence in the security of electronic voting systems and faith in the administration to resist exploiting them. ~ZP
Was everything you said a joke, or just the RPG thing? FYI, Kenya is not a Muslim nation and that isn’t Muslim garb.
Does it please you to no end to attempt to find even the smallest angle to make a jab at me? I find it entertaining anyway.
Yes -THE WHOLE THING- was a joke as i stated. And jokes are just fine.
Muslims are everywhere. I could put on Muslim garb and take a picture of me in New York and you can say the same thing. It makes no difference where the picture was taken only that the clothes are ‘Muslim like’.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/27/mccain.obama.iraq/index.html
the exchange b/w McCain and Obama.
1st. obama says he would strike al-qaeda if it established a base in iraq. ( i have problems with this, al-qaeda is in iraq. if obama didnt know that, he’s stupid, and that statement just screams ignorance. but he’s qualified right.
2nd. McCain says al-qaeda is in iraq right now. and we should fight them now.
3rd. Obama retorts that al-qaeda wasnt in iraq until we invaded. and we should brings the troops home.
what sense does this make. obama says he’ll attack al-qaeda in iraq. but al-qaeda already there he’ll surreneder to. and then attack later al-qaeda. has he taken up crack again?
