Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

@Jermofoot:

Ever hear of moderates, you know, the majority of the nation?

Yea, I heard of them.  They’re almost extinct as a species.  Maybe they should go to the Democrat party and make them a bit more moderate?  Instead of letting the really weird people keep running that party?  (I’m not talking the politicians, I’m talking about the REALLY weird ones, the ones with tin foil hats that congregate at Moveon.org and Media Matters.)

The problem is Jermo, that there are no moderates that run for office, there are only extremists. We have socialists such as Clinton, and advocacies of theocracy such as Huckabee running for office. There are no more realists left in this world, only fools who wish to implement the same failed policies over and over, as the Eagle gasps for breath.

I am not sure what to think about this but Huckleberry said on TV that Chuck Norris was going to be his defense minister if he were elected. If this is not a joke that man must be insane to make such a claim. I heard it while typing i didnt actually see if he was laughing or something. Can anybody confirm?

and stephen colbert is to be his vice president.  i take it he’s probably still just joking.

@M36:

We have socialists such as Clinton

Wait… Hillary Clinton… ? Socialist?  :-o

@Pervavita:

then there needs to be a moderat party, not people claiming to be conservative or liberal and in reality being the other. the problem with McCain is that he claims to be Conservative but he isn’t, atleast no where near as much as the base that he is trying to get is.

Not sure how a moderate party would work.  I just know that a majority of people can agree on key issues.  But there are some emotional, new, or complex issues that generally divide us…or the methods of addressing issues are desirable by some but not by others.

But most of all, I don’t think any of the candidates stand particular for the beliefs their party is supposed to uphold.  They only latch on to the key issues that get voters attention and do what will most likely get them elected.

@Cmdr:

Yea, I heard of them.  They’re almost extinct as a species.  Maybe they should go to the Democrat party and make them a bit more moderate?  Instead of letting the really weird people keep running that party?  (I’m not talking the politicians, I’m talking about the REALLY weird ones, the ones with tin foil hats that congregate at Moveon.org and Media Matters.)

What the hell are you talking about?  If anything, the party that has been usurped by religious megalomaniacs and run this country south for 8 years needs some moderation.

@M36:

The problem is Jermo, that there are no moderates that run for office, there are only extremists. We have socialists such as Clinton, and advocacies of theocracy such as Huckabee running for office. There are no more realists left in this world, only fools who wish to implement the same failed policies over and over, as the Eagle gasps for breath.

I’m glad you haven’t seen real extremism.  Those two are pretty mild compared to some (rare) fringe members.

@Funcioneta:

@M36:

We have socialists such as Clinton

Wait… Hillary Clinton… ? Socialist?  :-o

She definitely fits the description… Biggest example in my mind at the time: Wasn’t she the one that wanted to instigate a State Run Health Care Program back when her husband was in the White House?

AFAIK she’s a socialist/communist. (Communist in the mold of China and the Soviet Union; socialist in the mold of the actual definition.)  She wants to seize the pharmaceutical companies and the medical providers and force them to be equitable to everyone (which will result in Americans going to SE Asia and Scandinavia to get medical treatment instead of America accepting Canadians, Europeans, etc here for medical treatment.  A faster devaluation of the US Dollar.)

But I still think she’s a better choice then McCain.  Though, the point was raised that McCain’s heart is NOT good.  He’s had a few heart attacks recently.  So if he choses a good, strong conservative for his VP, we might vote for him in the hopes he dies or retires and the VP can take over.  Not that I wish death on any man.

Huckabe has won his secound state. W. Varginia for 18 delagates.
it started as a 3 way dead lock between McCain, Huck, and Mitt.
at the last recount the McCain delagates went to Huck to give him the win so not to give Mitt the win.

Pretty much.  You had to get 50% in W. Virginia to get the state.  In the first poll Mitt had 41%, Huckabee had like 17 and McCain like 14.  Not sure on the second two numbers, but it was Mitt, Huck and John in that order.

After the recount, Huckabee suddenly jumped WAY up.  Weird, but whatever.  At least McCain doesn’t get the delegates either.

if i may jump in

i dont know much about McCain

but i ll say one thing

McCain is not Bush! McCain is not Reagan. He is McCain.

an altough he is from republican party he can alongside with partys policy have a standpoints of his own in some issues

and in some way its good that these two partys arent so much confronted

McCain is older, and much more experienced than others nonethelles the years he has, and plus that…
In some issues he is maybe much more liberal then others in Republican party, or in some is even liberal-to some level

but isnt that the necessity, i dont know the issues but,  somehow its seems that this two partys are confronted like two poles.

and myself, altough i am conservative rather than liberal, have to admit that in many issue liberal parties are right and the conservative ones are not, and in the same time in some issues conservative parties stand for better values and liberal arent. the thing why i lean to conservative is that in the most important/more important issues conservative stand for better values and solutions. thats my per.opi.

and this ˝are right˝ dont mean literally, maybe it can be , but you know what i mean :mrgreen:

so what i am trying to say is that only very wise conservatives can be liberal when its good to be, and vice versa, there is much risk about the votes, since the ˝loyal party voters˝ will shrug off McCain, Ok, he can count on that

but i am sure he will win some votes of the democrat, and what is even more important of neutral, or voters which havent been on last elections, thats just my opinion, i dont know your status there, ˝how the people breathe˝ about this issue…

That may be true, but McCain is CLAIMING to be Reagan and his RECORD is very close to Bush, only more radical.  More radical in support of the military, and more radical in support of democrat style legislation.

So it’s pretty safe to say that he will sign off on legislation that Bush would have approved and would push for the war in Iraq as much or more then Bush.

McCain supports the US imposing tax’s for global warmming as well. the price tag to the US is $1.2 Trillion i think is the number. i don’t know if thats a bill we the people can pay for something that isn’t proven to be man made and also that the tax and spending hike isn’t proven to have any effect on the problem.

I have not kept up on the news today (I take it WVA was a Caucus if we already know the results), BUT…
If the McCain folks jumped to Huckabee in order to preclude a Romney win, then that is truly remarkable for MANY reasons.

First and foremost it would indicate a level of state wide organization and communication that is completely unprecedented in the US.  Coordinating that type of even over hundreds, perhaps thousands of Caucus sites in real time, across TWO INDEPENDENT campaigns… Truly amazing!  With Logistics that good, they SHOULD be President/VP!

Second, it if it did happen it would seem to confirm my prior postings that McCain/Huckabee is a probability as a way for the Republicans to try to maintain control… a Centrist Republican on top, a Religious Conservative VP…

Third, it would also be fitting for such a thing in traditionally poor WVA for the coal miners to tell the millionaire where to get off :-)

So does Bush though.  Not a huge difference there.

Anyway, what I don’t get is according to CNN, Romney’s winning EVERY bleeding state except one or two, but yet, they say McCain is getting the nomination.  WTF?

Huckabee has W. Virginia, Arkansas, Iowa
McCain has Florida, New Hampshire and S. Carolina.

Romney has:

Arizona
Illinois
Kansas
Louisiana
Maine
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
Tennessee
and
Wyoming

Some states don’t have any delegates awarded according to CNN yet.  But common, that’s like almost the entire country going Romney with a handful of dissenters for McCain and Huckabee.

I’m starting to wonder if the Media is biasing the reporting in an effort to influence the election to get the guy they want to be nominated instead of just reporting the news.

@ncscswitch:

I have not kept up on the news today (I take it WVA was a Caucus if we already know the results), BUT…
If the McCain folks jumped to Huckabee in order to preclude a Romney win, then that is truly remarkable for MANY reasons.

From what I understand, the party made the decision.  They did not hold a second vote.  They just decided to apply votes differently in order to establish a candidate with more then 50% so they could call the state.  There was no need to coordinate the people, nor was there a “back lash”.  If there had been, it would have been McCain who was backlashed because all his votes disappeared and magically appeared for Huckabee.  but then, Ron Paul’s votes all went to Romney, so who knows.

Maybe them coal miners need to get out of the tunnels, see some daylight.  Think they’re a bit whacked the way they are handling the primary there.

CNN proved their incompetence beyond a reasonable doubt when they announced Al Gore as the winner of Florida. You can’t really trust that information.

Yes, but they were not the only station to call Florida in 2000, M36.  Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS all called it too, just CNN called it first.

Anyway, their polling has gotten SLIGHTLY better.  At least they didn’t screw up 2004 very badly. (Though CBS still called the election for Kerry before begrudgingly stating that Bush had actually won.)

if you ever watch the news alot, everyone waits for fox news to proclaim the winner, then they do so about 10 seconds after that.

they have always lost in credibility to fox on who won/lost

remember the 04 election.  and the congressional elections.  everyone that is close fox news gets it right first.  its that republican confidence.

and other than CBS pouting in 04, so did every other news station besides fox.  all the pundits were saying “wait, wait, more votes could come in, a miracle could happen,……please”

They all use the same polling service…  they all get the info at the same time.  Any difference in “calling” an election is measured in seconds in most cases; unless a specific networks takes the tiem to cross check against their own independent (and usually smaller sample) polling; then they can be delayed in declaring a winner in an abundance of caution for accuracy.

VNS is who they ALL use for their primary exit polling, and they have for YEARS.