Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

I don’t think McCain Needs Huckabee for a running mate, he needs him to stay in the race past tuesday though, because he draws more from Romney than McCain.  If the evangelicals are not happy with McCain what are they going to do?  Vote for Hilary?  I don’t think so.

He obviously doesn’t need Guliani, he starts campaining for McCain today.  That said, I wonder about that.  You don’t get anything for free in Politics.  What is Guliani getting for his support of McCain?  I think With Guliani’s support McCain takes California and New York with ease.

I think Romney is done unless he can pull a rabbit out of his hat.

As for democrats, I don’t know but I am interested to see who Edwards supports now that he is out.  Even if he doesn’t declare for one of the others, I wonder which way his supporters go?  I have a hard time getting into the mind of that part of the political spectrum…

the talk of Mitt being out is why i think having so many primaries before all the rest is stupid. if we base it on this one state, the Florida has just accounted for 90% of the nations population in votes for the Republican nomination.
people said before it was to weed the weaker canidents out as it has, but now people are turnning it into it’s all over; with what only 9 or 10 states done, and of those only 1 being a significuntlly large state. sorry if the system is ment to run like that it’s broken. no state should be the tell all or so powerfull this early that it knocks the guy who was the front runner in delagates out of the race.
it is still ether man’s game, even Huck still has a chance at the bid IMO based on how much is left to gain and how much he has now. Ron Paul is the only one i think is realy out at this point and it’s not because he hasn’t won a state, but because his count is so low and he hasn’t been able to poll well. though that dosn’t mean he can’t pull out a win, i just find it unlikelly.
now after Tuesday if we have a big gap, then thats diffrent, but untell then there is no reason to count any one out untell they pull them selfs out.

Now that Edwards is out they will vote for Obama mostly perhaps its an agreement to throw support behind Obama so he can be his running mate… its possible given the departure only a week before the huge Feb 5th primary’s

I think it worth mentioning that 67% of registered republicans and independents, who voted in Florida, voted AGAINST McCain.

This after the McCain robo-calls and a strong turn out of Retired New Yorkers voting in the Republican Primary (because there were no delegates to award for the Democrat Primary in Florida, so why bother?)

However, with Guilliani endorsing McCain, he might start to have a real chance on Tuesday.  If Huckabee would make a deal with Romney to run as his VP and Endorse him, McCain would get shot out of the water faster then a row boat fighting an Aircraft Carrier and all it’s fighters.

Furthermore, look who has endorsed McCain.  We have the country-club Republicans from the OLD Nixon days.  They are basically second tier democrats.  They’re not radical enough to be full fledge democrats, so they call themselves republicans.

Basically, McCain is a “Compassionate Conservative.”  Who else ran as a compassionate conservative?!?  Yea, that’s right, President Bush!  So if you don’t like Bush, you won’t like McCain!

@Pervavita:

the talk of Mitt being out is why i think having so many primaries before all the rest is stupid. if we base it on this one state, the Florida has just accounted for 90% of the nations population in votes for the Republican nomination.
people said before it was to weed the weaker canidents out as it has, but now people are turnning it into it’s all over; with what only 9 or 10 states done, and of those only 1 being a significuntlly large state. sorry if the system is ment to run like that it’s broken. no state should be the tell all or so powerfull this early that it knocks the guy who was the front runner in delagates out of the race.
it is still ether man’s game, even Huck still has a chance at the bid IMO based on how much is left to gain and how much he has now. Ron Paul is the only one i think is realy out at this point and it’s not because he hasn’t won a state, but because his count is so low and he hasn’t been able to poll well. though that dosn’t mean he can’t pull out a win, i just find it unlikelly.
now after Tuesday if we have a big gap, then thats diffrent, but untell then there is no reason to count any one out untell they pull them selfs out.

Florida or the other primaries isn’t the reason I say Romney is out, I think the Guliany support is big though.  I also thing Hukabees steadfastness hurts Romney.

@Cmdr:

Basically, McCain is a “Compassionate Conservative.”  Who else ran as a compassionate conservative?!?  Yea, that’s right, President Bush!  So if you don’t like Bush, you won’t like McCain!

Prepare to be appalled, I still like Bush and don’t regret voting for him.  Twice.  I just one of the few that are not afraid to admit it…

I regret all the liberal legislation he signed into law, all the legislation he let the liberals write without so much as conservative over sight, and signed into law because it was garbage legislation that was very harmful to this country and, because he allowed it to happen, the democrats have successfully spun it as “republican legislation” while taking credit for all the successful legislation that slipped through despite President Bush allowing the minority party to run the nation.

If that’s what Compassionate Conservatism is, then I want Cruel Conservatism back.

The answer to all of the problems in this country is very simple:  Leave it to the states.  The Feds should only go in when the states are harming the people (and yes, you MUST prove there was harm done) or when the state is over whelmed from a natural disaster and needs the help of the other 49 countries in this alliance by pooling resources.

That’s right.  You saw it correctly.  This is an alliance of 50 countries working together under one banner to present a united front to the world.  This is not one nation with 50 subservient provinces.

And, since we are an alliance of 50 countries, each country should be responsible for any socialist/communist program it wants to institute and the magnitude of such institutions.  If Indiana decided it wanted to let the homeless starve to death with no support, then that’s Indiana’s right.  If Illinois decided to write a check to each homeless person for $100,000 that’s their right.  If Wisconsin decides that they will just give food stamps to prevent starvation, that’s their right.

However, as with any alliance, there are basic guidelines as to what is appropriate.  We, in this alliance, call that agreement the Constitution of the united States of america.  No, I did not miss the capitalizations.  This is an agreement between the STATES who stand united on the continent of North America.  It is the STATES, not the federation.  It is not the United Federation of America.

As soon as we get a conservative that holds that stance, again, we’ll see the largest landslide victories since Reagan, maybe even greater if he’s more polarized then Reagan was.  Until then, we’ll see 50/50 turn outs because people cannot decide to vote for the greater or lesser evil presented to them.

Furthermore, I am getting sick of this limited war crud.  If we go to war, we need to go to total war.  No war against a piddly little has been nation like Iraq should take this long.  Send in the USAF, bomb everything flat.  Not a single timber should survive without bomb damage on it.  Then send in the USMC to kill anything left alive and afterwards, send in the US Army to clean up.  (You can stop when the enemy tenders complete, unconditional surrender.)

Just one war fought like that and we could end all future wars for the next 50 years. (About the time it takes for people to forget how America fights a war.)

Limited warfare is what gave us Vietnam and Korea and Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

BTW, the idea is to do such damage that no one will want to make war on us.  Not to hurt people.  If you can avert future wars by maximizing damage in one war, and the total net loss of life and property is LESS then if you were to fight limited warfare, then you are actually more ethical by doing the total war in place of the dozens of limited wars.

As for taxes, the best plan is to use the exact same income tax system of George Washington, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, James Monroe and Thomas Jefferson.  When you find out how much they charged for income taxes, we can talk more on the situation.

You want to fix the schools?  Get the government money out of it.  Let the states compete amongst each other for the best and brightest.  It’ll be hard for a while, but it’ll sort itself out.

Immigration is about the ONLY issue being debated that the feds SHOULD be involved in.  And it’s simple to fix too.  If you want to immigrate, pass a Constitution test, pass a language competency exam (written AND oral) and show that you have a marketable skill.  IF you make it past those three things, you can get citizenship.  If not, then you should be booted out.

Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free…

It does not say give us your lazy, your uneducated, your leeches on the tit of society; longing to be supported by hard working citizens and immigrants who conform to American culture.

Okay, I’ve been ranting.  But common.  Romney’s the closest thing we got to a conservative and he’s not all that conservative!  McCain’s getting a lot of independents and social liberals who are ashamed to vote Black or Woman or even to call themselves liberal.  But we have no REAL conservatives out there!

This is what the dems want: socialized medicine, retreat in iraq, higher taxes, amnesty, and repeal of the Patriot Act. Thats essentially their core platform. The list you gave was nonsnse. Bush has been a failure, but its his veto pen and the republican margin in the senate has stopped the dems cold. they made all these promises to get elected in 06 and one has come to pass: a meaningless minimum wage hike.

you forgot, legalized gay marriage, forcing more smut onto everyone, using pop culture and tv and movies as a club to hit peoples brains, abortion as a form of birth control, bending to eu legistation(see clinton quotes and ginsburg!), play the big panzy to the world so they sniff like us again sniff

the talk of Mitt being out is why i think having so many primaries before all the rest is stupid. if we base it on this one state, the Florida has just accounted for 90% of the nations population in votes for the Republican nomination.
people said before it was to weed the weaker canidents out as it has, but now people are turnning it into it’s all over; with what only 9 or 10 states done, and of those only 1 being a significuntlly large state. sorry if the system is ment to run like that it’s broken. no state should be the tell all or so powerfull this early that it knocks the guy who was the front runner in delagates out of the race.

its done b/c of this.  iowa is a red state teetering on blue.  so its a good indicator of votes for moderates on the democratic and republican sides, but more republican w/ religion.  new hamshire has moderates in both, but is more liberal, and not so much to do with religion.  south carolina is the southern state throw in so people can get big doses of religion and how that mixes.  and you get a big black voting %
florida was mixed in to get the latino aspects into the strategies.  every state plays its part.

I think it worth mentioning that 67% of registered republicans and independents, who voted in Florida, voted AGAINST McCain

indenpendent couldn’t vote in florida.  they all came from the republican party.  FYI.

Wrong, Balung.

Independents COULD vote in Florida.  When they went to the polls they just had to ask for a Republican ballot and they were added to the Republican party on the spot.

As for what the dems want, Bush gave them everything that got out of Congress.  It was only the fortitude of the true conservatives in the Congress that stopped all the rest of the Democrat agenda.  Bush was a wuss.  He signed it all.  He hardly vetoed anything.  The things he did veto, he was most likely FORCED to veto under threat of Republican Support for impeachment hearings if he did NOT.

As of the Dems failing to get much done since 2006, uhm, they promised to take us in a new direction, have you SEEN the stock market since they took over?  I think they succeeded!  Not to mention the new direction in the housing market!  I think they’ve been extremely successful and people have seen what success means under their regime and that’s why their approval ratings are about half of Bush’s approval ratings and the lowest in all recorded history.

Why in the WORLD would we want to send ANOTHER Bush back to DC?  Just for Iraq?  Iraq’s over, it’s cleanup time now.  Even the dems don’t want to pull out anymore.  So we don’t need to keep the Socialist Conservative in office anymore just to prevent the terrorists from establishing safe haven in Iraq anymore.  Without that need, we have no reason to back the Nazi, ere, sorry, that’s an abbreviation for National Socialist, I meant Rezi (Republican Socialist) in office.

Which is why I, and many like me, will be campaigning for Hillary or Obama if McCain is nominated.  “Not with my name!” will be my battle cry.  I don’t want him further sullying the good name of Fiscal Conservatism!

florida is a closed primary state.  only registered republicans and democrats can go to the polls.

http://www.polkelections.com/content.asp?c=13

@balungaloaf:

florida is a closed primary state.  only registered republicans and democrats can go to the polls.

http://www.polkelections.com/content.asp?c=13

And yet there are literally hundreds of stories of independents who went to the polls and registered ON THE SPOT as Republicans just so they can vote.

oh i’m so sure

@balungaloaf:

oh i’m so sure

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt, evidentially.

In northern Coral Springs, near the Sawgrass Expressway and Coral Ridge Drive, David Nirenberg arrived to vote as an independent. Nevertheless, he said poll workers insisted he choose a party ballot.

"He said to me, ‘Are you Democrat or Republican?’ I said, ‘Neither, I am independent.’ He said, ‘Well, you have to pick one,’‘’ Nirenberg said.

In Florida, only those who declare a party are allowed to cast a vote in that party’s presidential primary.

Nirenberg said he tried to explain to the poll worker that he should not vote on a party ballot because of his “no party affiliation” status.

Nirenberg said a second poll worker was called over who agreed that independents should not use party ballots, but said they had received instructions to the contrary.

“He said, ‘Ya know, that is kind of funny, but it was what we were told.’ … I was shocked when they told me that.” Nirenberg said he went ahead and voted for John McCain.

Staff writers Alexia Campbell, Elizabeth Baier, John Holland, Mark Hollis, Sallie James, Linda Kliendienst, Ihosvani Rodriguez, and Crystian Tejedor contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2008, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Independents were registering as Republicans, ON THE SPOT, and voting McCain.

Now, you might view that as GOOD or BAD, but it does not change the fact that it WAS happening and that is where a lot of McCain’s votes came from.  This explains perfectly why Romney was the 8% margin leader in the polls just before the election then afterwards, was beaten by McCain.  The pollsters didn’t bother CALLING THE UNDECIDEDS, only registered Republicans.

Add in McCain’s push polling and his robo-calling (where a robot dials random numbers and plays a recorded message slandering another candidate to whomever picks up the phone.  And old trick, but it still works.)  And it’s a wonder why Romney got any votes.

The guy’s just as dirty as Hillary and Obama, the only difference is he wants us to believe he’s a Republican and he’s just not.

what polls did you read.  i had either dead heats or mcCain up in the polls.

and they have 1 instance of 1 guy SAYING this happened.  not very credible.  the media loves to hype a sensational story, even if its not true.

how could it happen anyways.  they are from florida, they should know better as independents that they cant vote.

and McCain won in the most of the counties of florida.  and alot of them redneck ones.  he was good to go.

Tip of the ice berg.

Do a search, you’ll find more stories.  Basically if you showed up and said you were undecided they made you decide, which is only fair since it’s an informal poll taken by the party for the party’s choice, not a general election.  So people chose if they wanted to vote republican or democrat, well, since the democrats had no official primary, they decided over overwhelmingly for the republican primary, and they chose McCain more often then the others.  Though, a lot of independents voted for Guilliani too since he’s also a liberal in sheep’s clothing.

And you were looking at exit polls.  I am talking about all the polls leading up to the primary.  Every last one of them had Romney with a decisive lead over McCain.  Well, every one of them polled Registered Republicans.  Most Registered Republicans had to go to work.

i’m also talking about polls leading to florida that showed a tie or McCain up.

What whacko pollsters were you getting?  Rasmussen and Gallup both had a significant lead for Romney over McCain in Florida.

Anyway, Illinois has more delegates then Florida and we’re just one of what, 22 states running on Tuesday?

@Cmdr:

What whacko pollsters were you getting?  Rasmussen and Gallup both had a significant lead for Romney over McCain in Florida.

Anyway, Illinois has more delegates then Florida and we’re just one of what, 22 states running on Tuesday?

its important because it will give the winers momentum.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080128/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc

every one that i saw was like this.  McCain ahead or tied

@Cmdr:

What whacko pollsters were you getting?  Rasmussen and Gallup both had a significant lead for Romney over McCain in Florida.

Anyway, Illinois has more delegates then Florida and we’re just one of what, 22 states running on Tuesday?

McCain won the only poll in Florida that counts – the actual primary! :mrgreen:

Give it up, Jenn.  Romney is a walking corpse.  Nobody but the diehards like yourself actually like him.  Say what you want about McCain – at least he’s not a panderer (okay, every politician panders, but I’m talking degrees here) in the same way Romney is.  Romney will literally say anything to posture himself as a conservative and get elected.  He did the same thing (in the left direction) to get elected governor.  Doesn’t that bother you at least a little?  I think it does most people, certainly here in Florida.  Witness all the endorsements for McCain here (Governor Crist, Senator Martinez) vs. none for Romney.  That should tell you something.