Fgt movement & landing question

@LT04:

Hi Guys long time no type.  It’s been a wile since I have played this one so I’m knocking out the cobwebs.  You will also have to forgive me since I don’t have the board in front of me.

Let’s say I’m Germany and this is a few turns into the game.  I have my Med. transport and battleship in that inlet by the Caucuses.

The UK has their Destroyer in the SZ adjacent to Italy.  I have my battleship and some fighters based in Italy take out the UK Destroyer.

(Here’s my question)  Can I have my transport pick up troops in the Balkans or Caucuses and land them in North Africa (Germany controlled of course) where the sea battle just took place?

Thanks,

LT

Yes, in non-combat.

1.  Yes.  However, after 1 round of combat, the SUB can choose to submerge if it is still alive, ending the attack by the FIG (or BOM).

2.  NO.  The Battleship is offshore.  It can only engage in land combat for a single shot and only in the very special case of an amphibious landing.  In the example you cite, with Germany counter-attacking Western, the Allied BB is in SZ7, and means NOTHING to the Allied defenders in Western.  Battleships are naval units, and are ignored for land combat except in the case where the Battleship is in the same sea zone as the attacker’s transport(s) that are offloading to combat.

Also, DSTs (Destroyers) can only engage in land combat if you have the technology that permits them to fire a support shot like a Battleship.  Otherwise DSTs mean NOTHING in land combat.

Well that all depends on what you guys are offering before I toss JC back into the pot.

Thank you Axis for answering that.

@rjclayton:

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Which is better?  Which is more fair?  I suppose it depends on your perspective.  For me, I think of the 4 movement for fighters as being the hard and fast rule unless long range aircraft, then it’s 6 movement (I played classic for many years).  In OOB Revised, this quirky new rule bent the old rules that I had become accustomed to, so definitely seemed odd.  The LHTR Revised ruleset seems to intuitively make more sense to me, and doesn’t bend that rule.  So for me I like this rule change made in LHTR.

I think about it like this: If I wanted to send my fighter to combat, with the intention of landing it on a carrier that was not yet fully launched, when it returned from it’s mission would it return to the shipyard, or would it land on the carrier once it was launched?  I think the answer would be to the carrier once it was launched.  And that’s how I justify this rule change.

Rob

Personally, having seen the pain of trying to get a bunch of fly boys onto a real live ship, I prefer the requirement that the planes land at the airbase closest to the shipyard(IC) and embark on the carrier when it launches (is built).  I find it ridiculously unrealistic to have those planes “meet” and land on a CV that is still trying to figure out if all the bilge level alarms work and why they get seawater out of number 3 A/C refueling station instead of JP5.

Heck, if I really wanted to argue this I would say that CVs can only embark new aircraft if the aircraft are built on a CV.  No carrier next to the IC?  No new naval avaiation units.  Your naval aviators get waxed far from home?  Don’t go expecting those Army Air guys to figure out how to land on a bouncing postage stamp after they have gotten so used to 1500’ long runways that don’t move and are wider than a carrier is long.  I might be convinced that land based air can convert to sea based air in a Non Combat Move but during Combat???  I can see it now, the FTR pulls up next to the refueling plane, fills up his tanks after combat and orders a side of tailhooks.  Of course, all of this is trading playability for complexity.  If I really wanted to do that, I would would not be playing A&A.

Give me OOB rules of FTR at the IC can move to the fresh built CV and stop giving the FTR an extra range of space during the combat move if they happen to grow tailhooks and figure out how to land on new carriers on their way back from the fight.

@Yahoshua:

To get a clarification:

You can bridge YOUR TRN and YOUR Troops (1 pt for TRN to load 1 pt. for TRN to unload) without moving the TRN provided the unit in question has the movement pts available for doing so (like Mech Infantry or Tanks?).

I’m not sure how this is handled with LHTR.

You can bridge INF too.

But no unit can move on land before or after being transported.

some extra info:

the total is indeed 4 spaces for a fighter!
you can decide whether you go:
0 spaces in combat and 4 in non-combat
1 space in combat and 3 in non-combat
2 spaces in combat and 2 in non-combat
3 spaces in combat and 1 in non-combat

moving 4 spaces in combat is ONLY possible when attacking a sea-zone and when you can land on an aircraftcarrier (AC).
this AC has to be a survivor of the sea-battle OR
the AC has been moved there in non-combat phase (you move the AC to the occupied sea-zone, but didn’t attack with it)

moving 4 spaces in combat to attack a land territory is not possible, since you can not land it in a freshly conquered territory and it can not get back properly (remember?)

Can’t reach 60 in 2 moves from Hawaii. Hawaii is a seperate area from the sea zone surrounding it.