L25 PtV Stucifer (X+9) v Argothair (L)

@Argothair said in L25 PtV Stucifer (X+9) v Argothair (L):

French Air Chief Vuillemin is also fired!

Certainly sending the lone fighter against the gnashing teeth of a Bismarck with air cover was a rash decision, but one demanded by French élan and revanche in the grief after losing their beloved Paris to the jackboots.

I believe the lone legionnaire in Algeria needs to be awarded a Croix de Guerre as well

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 2

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 12 infantry and 5 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 115 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Greece
        1 armour moved from Bulgaria to Greece
        2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
        1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Southern France
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Gibraltar
        Battle in 108 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the British lost in 108 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking Gibraltar from British with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 1 transport
        Battle in Greece
            Germans attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Greece
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
            Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 2 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Southern France
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Southern France, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Southern France
                1 infantry owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Southern France
            Germans win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
            Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger Germans Occupies Southern France: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French
        1 fighter moved from Southern France to 93 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 108 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to Western Germany
        4 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
        1 aaGun moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour, 2 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        1 bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
        2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        3 transports placed in 115 Sea Zone
        7 infantry placed in Western Germany
        2 transports placed in 116 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Germany
        Germans undo move 2.
        Germans undo move 2.
        1 transport placed in 115 Sea Zone
        6 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 transport placed in 116 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1
        Germans collect 45 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 45 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
        Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 0.33
Neutral_Allies regular : 0.33
Germans regular : 1.33
British regular : -0.33

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 artillery, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Marshall Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands
        1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 7 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Borneo
        2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        4 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
        1 armour moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
              Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
        1 marine moved from New Hebrides to 54 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 65 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 65 Sea Zone to New Zealand
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Marshall Islands to 55 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 55 Sea Zone to Solomon Islands
        2 infantry moved from 55 Sea Zone to New Guinea
        1 infantry moved from 55 Sea Zone to Solomon Islands
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to New Britain
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
        1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Borneo
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in New Britain
        Battle in Gilbert Islands
        Battle in 65 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 65 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 65 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 65 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 65 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking New Britain from ANZAC, taking Gilbert Islands from UK_Pacific, taking 65 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
        Battle in New Zealand
        Battle in 55 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
            ANZAC defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 transport in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking New Zealand from ANZAC, taking 55 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
        Battle in Solomon Islands
        Battle in New Guinea
        Battle in 37 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
            British defend with 1 battleship
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the British lost in 37 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Solomon Islands from ANZAC, taking New Guinea from ANZAC, taking 37 Sea Zone from UK_Pacific with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
            Casualties for British: 1 battleship
        Battle in Borneo
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Borneo, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Borneo, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Borneo
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the British and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Borneo
            Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in Hunan
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Hunan, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan
                4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hunan
            Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry
        Battle in Kwangtung
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung
            Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yunnan
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
            Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 bomber moved from Yunnan to Caroline Islands
        1 bomber moved from Hunan to Caroline Islands
        1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Marshall Islands to 47 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Shansi to Anhwe
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Borneo to French Indo China
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 7 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Southern Manchuria
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Southern Manchuria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Marshall Islands to Caroline Islands
        1 fighter moved from Hunan to Anhwe
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to French Indo China
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Paulau

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Japan
        1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs
        Objective Japanese 7 Vital Forward Bases: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.67
Japanese regular : 3.67
UK_Pacific regular : -0.50
ANZAC regular : 0.67

Savegame

Skipped the scramble in 55 due to odds -

@Argothair said in L25 PtV Stucifer (X+9) v Argothair (L):

@Stucifer I would like to formally protest a flaw in the PTV game design, which is that (a) Germany had absolutely no capability at all of invading the mainland US in 1940 or 1941 and could not have acquired one, and (b) if that were somehow not the case, then there’s no way in hell that in real life a German transport sitting on the west coast of a German-occupied Gibraltar doesn’t trigger a US declaration of war.

The fact that I have to defend Washington against a German attack while the US is still at peace is ridiculous.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

I agree with you, to nitpick slightly however this is not a PtV-specific flaw—this same scenario exists in the Europe/G40 OOB boards from which PtV is derivative.

Many things are done in the name of the sacred cows of Game Design & Balance, to follow-up to your TED Talk most of the setup is clearly fantastical, which is why Axis have such a massive advantage in matériel in OOB setup.

At the start of the Second World War the RN had 15 battleships and battlecruisers with five more battleships under construction, and 66 cruisers with another 23 under construction. To 184 destroyers with 52 more under construction, a further 50 old destroyers (and other smaller craft) were obtained from the US in exchange for US access to bases in British territories (Destroyers for Bases Agreement). There were 60 submarines and seven aircraft carriers with more of both under construction. At the end the RN had 16 battleships, 52 carriers—though most of these were small escort or merchant carriers—62 cruisers, 257 destroyers, 131 submarines and 9,000 other ships. During the war the Royal Navy lost 278 major warships and more than 1,000 small ones. There were 200,000 men (including reserves and marines) in the navy at the start of the war, which rose to 939,000 by the end. 51,000 RN sailors were killed and a further 30,000 from the merchant services. The WRNS was reactivated in 1938 and their numbers rose to a peak of 74,000 in 1944. The Royal Marines reached a maximum of 78,000 in 1945, having taken part in all the major landings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_World_War_II#cite_note-naval-history-46
http://naval-history.net/WW2CampaignRoyalNavy.htm

I had intended to write more about the setup but ran out of time–something about work?

I have done the early war as UK once on round 1 and once on round 2, if you can pull off a Sneaky Karl that can be worth it. I think it can also be very strong for helping boost China from a concentrated push by the Japanese, but it’s certainly a tool to be used sparingly.