How to best threaten German Baltic fleet?

No one collects the income until someone controls it. Normally if the ping pong move is used, Italy will then attack it.

@ShadowHAwk:

@Omega1759:

Consider scrambling in 110 to kill two German planes (if the Bismarck is on 111). Killing German planes is huge because it reduces the multi-pronged threat that the Luftwaffe becomes.

Then again losing 3 fighters vs 2 of germany does not help the allies out that much. Also i would do this combat first as germany and if i got your whole airforce and if i whiped it all out i might actualy not strafe the 111 combat and take out all the UK air round 1.

since i normaly send 2 subs vs the cruiser off gibraltar italy is in a good spot.

Now taranto will be interesting with 1 dest-1cruiser-1AC 1 fighter 1 tactical 1 bomber vs my cruiser-battleship-3fighters, and the malta battle will be figher vs destroyer also not great odds.
And italy having 2-3 transports round 1 is a lot more painfull then germany having 2 fighters extra.

It’s a gamble for sure, All depends on the bid in the med. If Taranto works then Germany could be down another plane.

And if you send 2 subs against the cruiser then 110 could turn to be disastrous for the Axis.

@SubmersedElk:

To clarify, I was discussing the merits of buying a stack of 4 bombers and sending them to the Pacific.

Sure one bomber might get some targets to snipe at - but a full round buy doesn’t add much to what you already got with the starting bomber. Anything can be effective against an opponent making serious mistakes like leaving a transport stack naked and open to attack, and in a case like that, one bomber is as effective as four.

The issue is with the mechanics of movement over the oceans. A Japanese transport at a harbor can be in range to attack a bomber while the bomber is not in range to attack the transport, despite the vast difference in base movement - an airfield for the bomber makes no difference. Land units can effectively move 5 spaces to attack when using a transport at a harbor (one load, three move, one drop). The bomber would need 8 move total to attack that transport and return to base, and of course it only gets 7 with the airport and 6 without.

It’s totally counterintuitive when you look at base move 2 for ships and base move 6 for bombers, but in practice, that transport can attack from one space further away than the bomber can.

In order for this to work you obviously cannot takeoff and land at the same territory. The Pacific allows for many landing areas so this is not necessarily a problem. Some good bomber moves in the north are to bring bombers from Hawaii to attack SZ 6 and land in Midway, and to take bombers in Midway and attack Japan and land in Amur. That extra move is what really makes the difference.

1  Buy infantry/rt round 1,
Kill france with all available ground, try to keep tanks and mechs
Kill 106, 110, and 111 (maybe try to bb strafe 111) might be forced to land some stuff in holland if u did not take the berlin tac as a casualty.
Take out yugo with enough to 1 shot it or try to strafe it for italy.
  Take bulg and finland while stacking slovakia with everything from berlin and from poland
  Land hungarian/poland air in south italy
  Stack 112 if you can do it safely otherwise, go for 113, drop denmark garrison in norway

2  Buy at least 1 dd and 1 sub to handle the russian sub and the NO then either more slow, or mech/tank
Kill 97 if uk has stuff there, or other med navy
Kill surviving UK navy if you can
Kill Normandy unless u want italy to have
  Land in alex if italy stacks there
  Send tanks and mechs from france to yugo
  Put every ground unit in range on to Romania
  Berlin units to poland
  Norway units to finland

3  Buy all fast (maybe a replacement plane or some boats aswell) preferably mech heavy
Declare on Russia
Stack bess heavy
Kill poland and baltic if you can do it cheaply
Kill karelia and vyborg, if high novgorod garrison, go to karelia light untill he moves out
If russia pulled back out of novgorod and belarus, u might be able to stack poland/karelia heavy
Kill russian sub if it sits in 125, have your sub in 125 to cancel NO
So if you can stack both bess and epl safely, then thats good, just stay focused on bess.
  Non-com berlin fast to epl or Romania
  Check on how much air you need to help italy
  Make sure italy is getting some units to follow your army to can-open for you.

4  Buy more fast, maybe some slow to help garrison western europe if you have to.
Kill west Ukraine
Stack Ukraine heavy!!
Kill bela and novgorod if possible
Try to have italians in range of can-opening rostov
  Shuffle more fast units east
  Use navy/air accordingly
  keep sending italian fast units to russia, 3 or 4 tanks/mechs would be nice to have with the germans.

5 and Beyond
Have italy can-open rostov so germany can fight for volg and cauc, stack bryansk of possible, keep russians in moscow.  Eventually, you will have russia stuck while you have moscow surrounded on at least 3 sides.  With germany making around 80, you can start pressuring persia while japan is pressuring india, eventually, India or Persia will fall.  The longer you can keep italy going the better.  Try to invest in destroyers if you can with scramble ready in south ita, this makes italian navy hard to hit.  Make sure, you hold west germany, and berlin at all costs, watch out for the denmark opener followed by UK berlin attack. Fast units in west germany with slow in france can help counter a normandy stack.

If the allies are heavy in the atlantic, then you will need japan to kill india asap and maybe pressure russia.  If allies are all pac, then that is more you can spend on russia.

Yes, Balkans… My bad.

Mantlefan - I’d like to take a moment to apologize to you (somewhat publicly) for picking your posts out several times yesterday. My head has cooled down!

I was reacting to many, many people’s reactions to Alpha +.3, not just yours. After getting off the site for awhile, I realized that it isn’t that big a deal, and everyone is entitled to their opinions. We’re all passionate about the game, or we wouldn’t be here…

Again - I apologize - and I’ll go back to being friendly in my responses!

They can move into China whenever they decide to declare war on Japan.

Submarines may go through the Gibraltar strait regardless of who controls Gibraltar. This is the only exception. Just in case you didnt know.