How to best threaten German Baltic fleet?

[barnee]

Hi @bakerbei

As an intermediate player, my advice would be a one two punch with the yanks and the brits. Straight left followed up by a right cross and if you’re concerned they might get up, then put the boots to them :)

It’ll take a while to build the power necessary to accomplish it. Seems as if lenningrad should fall by mid game, although sometimes the soviets will take and hold Scandanavia.

I’m sure more experienced players will chime in with some detailed advice. You may want to look here if you haven’t already https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40354/allied-playbook-g40-collection-of-essays-compiled-by-jacobgeo24-nov-18-19-2023

Welcome to the site :)

[shadowhawk]

@bakerbei

If playing OOB rules you can just build a bunch of subs with the UK.
Then take denmark and norway with the US and use the subs + airpower to sink this fleet.
If he doesnt build a destroyer just go with the subs and without air power.
CV+ cruiser vs 4 subs = dead fleet.

If you play YG setup, do the same but take with UK and use US subs.

[bakerbei]

@barnee Thank you! I kind of came to the same conclusion in the 24 hours it took for my post to get approved haha. I appreciate the consensus though!

[bakerbei]

@shadowhawk Thank you! I’ve also come to the same conclusion that subs+airpower is the way to go to challenge that fleet. Combining this with my plan to use subs to convoy sz97, the US will be building quite a few subs haha.

[The Captain]

Hi bakebei,

My best advice is attached to this post:

1. Strategy Guide Germany.pdf

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@The-Captain

I think he’s referring to the Allied side, not the Axis side.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

You don’t have to sink the German fleet, just force them to shelter behind Denmark for safety.

If they actually have a fleet large enough to stand toe to toe with the Allied Atlantic fleet, the Allies have won concur it means Moscow won’t fall for a very long time. Having multiple German carriers is a guaranteed L for the Axis.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

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[shadowhawk]

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in How to best threaten German Baltic fleet?:

You don’t have to sink the German fleet, just force them to shelter behind Denmark for safety.

If they actually have a fleet large enough to stand toe to toe with the Allied Atlantic fleet, the Allies have won concur it means Moscow won’t fall for a very long time. Having multiple German carriers is a guaranteed L for the Axis.

That fleet does allow it to keep trading norway so sinking the fleet is not required but it does help.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@shadowhawk

It’s only a problem if you’re attacking Norway, like if you’re focusing on the Mediterranean or Japan.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@SuperbattleshipYamato and Norway is nearly impossible to capture and hold against a skilled Axis player who leaves a big stack in Finland and can support the counterattack with the German Air Force. The Allies to do a KGF strategy and the Axis needs to be focusing on capturing Moscow for the Norway landing to succeed.

Otherwise Normandy, S France, and Greece are much easier beachheads.

[shadowhawk]

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris
If the units are in finland they are not near moscow.
If the airforce is used against finland its not used against russia.

Having that fleet there allows the germans to just move units from W-ger to norway to trade and to use those finland troops to attack moscow. They are a lot closer.

But even if you have a big stack in finland and no navy whats stopping me from dropping 2-4 inf and 1-2 AA guns in norway? Either your big stack moves in and its gone next round. Or you airforce is used and risks losing a plane or 2. Its not like the AA in London is doing anything anyway.,

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@shadowhawk you are talking about 2 or 3 loaded transports with 20-30 PUs of value. Germany takes it back losing a plane and a couple ground units. Maybe doesn’t even lose the plane.

Better off trading units in Normandy where you can adequately protect those transports instead of a suicide mission. The Allies can come out ahead in the exchanges.

[shadowhawk]

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

It depends on the size of your fleet, the 3 fighter scamble isnt always that big a difference.
Attacking norway + denmark also requires him to trade both or lose the NO as well.

Also it gives you a staging ground for going to leninggrad which causes him to lose even more NO income. He can ignore Normandy as you cant do much from that location, its only 2 ipcs not a big deal.
Norway is 8ipcs lost.

So its not 20-30pu its more like 6-12pu, as the AA guns from london are basically free.