L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis)


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    2d6<4: 4, 2; Hits: 1
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  • Subs miss, both cruisers hit submarines, tactical bomber hits Russian cruiser, battle over

    Germans just lose a sub


  • Thanks again

    R4.tsvg


  • @gamerman01 said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

    OK, question is away (about land units) to my closest contact on the BM team. Oh, I should also ask Adam since he’s back. The BM rules and feedback threads are so long, I couldn’t find this answer in there when I was doing UK1. I didn’t take AAA there so we didn’t need to know.

    Regularkid from the BM team just told me AA in South France does stop Vichy. He said the engine does all the AA things right, so I can double check but it should only be in China where AA doesn’t work as a “land unit”

    So if you drop an AA gun on South France, Italy will have a very hard time clearing UK units while not taking control of South France. I don’t like the Vichy rules, and although this is a pretty effective stop for UK, it’s a valuable transport

    But that does put another unit or two in South France for Euro-Axis to deal with. Although you blew through the extra unit with no damage :angry:
    But yeah, you take Normandy with authority on G1, I’m likely to stick UK units on South France

  • '19 '18

    Thanks for the input on AAA guns.

    The more I think about it, a 97 attack on UK1 does not seem to be the best course of action in most cases.

    It seems to be stronger to merge the UK fleet at Gibraltar (maybe even with an airbase) and deny Vichy with one transport


  • @MrRoboto said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

    Thanks for the input on AAA guns.

    The more I think about it, a 97 attack on UK1 does not seem to be the best course of action in most cases.

    It seems to be stronger to merge the UK fleet at Gibraltar (maybe even with an airbase) and deny Vichy with one transport

    I appreciate every one of your posts.

    It certainly seems strong to pile up 92 UK1, but I’m always afraid to do it. I’ve been burned by losing Egypt early, more than once, and I lose those games.

    My concern is Italy has 2 transports and the battleship and cruiser and makes a move on Egypt (not necessarily directly) while a single destroyer block keeps the UK fleet away. I can’t say I know for sure how much that skipping 97 increases Italy’s chances of taking Egypt, but I’m afraid to find out.

    Furthermore, I like to bait the 3 fighters on Rome to come out and be destroyed. This helps Russia tremendously if accomplished.
    However, if 97 fails and Axis have the battleship and maybe a fighter remaining (and the transport), obviously that’s really bad. I got away with it this game, the result was about average. Your no buy G1 and my low bid lacking a 2nd sub made me take the awful 78% chance risk


  • @gamerman01 said in [L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis)]

    It certainly seems strong to pile up 92 UK1, but I’m always afraid to do it.

    I couldn’t build an airbase on Gibraltar because you saved your G1 money


  • @gamerman01 said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

    Regularkid from the BM team just told me AA in South France does stop Vichy. He said the engine does all the AA things right, so I can double check but it should only be in China where AA doesn’t work as a “land unit”

    ??! I see I never followed up with the results of my testing.

    I confirmed in Triple A, Allied AA on Sardina/Sicily/Greece/Rome and North Africa (Morocco to Tunisia) do secure the NO. Also confirmed in Triple A that a lone UK AA on South France stops Vichy


  • Funny how some of these rules that seem so fringe can really have big impacts!

  • 2024 2023 '22 '15 '11 '10 Official Q&A Moderator

    I will also admit that I had to take an awful risk in 96. There is a 5% chance your transport survives, and a 2.5% chance both your destroyer and transport survives. If the destroyer isn’t sunk, UK can’t stop Vichy. My risky UK1 gives chance for the nightmare scenario that all 3 Italian transports survive. But against a good player you have to take risks like this

  • '19 '18

    Japan4.tsvg

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 carrier, 2 factory_minors, 6 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 
    
        Combat Move - Japanese
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Shensi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
            2 bombers moved from Hunan to Szechwan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan
    
        Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 33 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 33 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 44 Sea Zone
                Japanese win, taking 44 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in Szechwan
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Szechwan, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan
                Japanese win, taking Szechwan from Chinese with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shensi, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shensi
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
                Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Japanese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Guam from Americans to Japanese
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 armour moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 fighter moved from Hunan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 2 submarines moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Hopei
            2 bombers moved from Szechwan to Kwangtung
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangtung
    
        Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier and 2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
            1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung
            3 infantry placed in Shantung
            3 infantry placed in Manchuria
    
        Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 62 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Chinese regular : -1,00
    Americans regular : -0,17
    Japanese regular : 1,67
    

  • So again, I think you’re possibly right that 92 is the move to make (but I couldn’t because of no G1 buy), but I’m not sure because it might seal Egypt’s doom. Well, I guess if you have all these planes on 92 and Gibraltar, they could go to Egypt.

    What is your experience?


  • I can play US/UK now, actually.

    I hadn’t realized Japan can build minors in 6 different territories not counting Korea.

    I think G40 has always had the no island complexes rules, but in AA50 you could. We started house-ruling that you couldn’t (AA50)

    I do remember the original rules for G40 had absolutely not limit on scrambles, so people would put AB on Java and stack it up with fighters

  • '19 '18

    I hit the 2.5% in my last game against Simon, where the Italian destroyer lived.

    That was really bad, because my whole UK1 turn was based on merging in 92 which was not possible anymore. I lost Egypt as a result later on. I liberated Cairo later and I think I’m gonna win this game, but that’s partly because A) I had some luck in Pacific, which gave USA the possibility to invest more in Europe and B) I think I am a better player than simon. Against an equally strong player, that would have been game over.

    Merging in UK92 with the airbase seems the way to go. Even a destroyer blocking the fleet will not help Italy much, because the fighter stack at Gibraltar can sink the Italian fleet anyway. Happened to me in another game just recently. I went all-in on TRJ and Alexandria in Ita1, blocking the UK fleet. German planes secured Alexandria.

    UK2 sunk the Italian navy with air only, landing the surviving planes in cairo. Had barely enough to defend - but barely enough is still enough, since Italy can’t reinforce without a navy.

  • '19 '18

    I only tried the no-buy in G1 twice now (mainly because I am Allies in the majority of my games).
    Against you and against Ghostglider.

    My whole idea is to deny an Egypt factory or Gib Airbase in UK1 without comitting to a big navy. Since I plan a G4 DOW anyway, I don’t need the land units earlier.

    I have to admit though (And I think I already did), the German campaign against Russia is my weakest part of the game. So a G4 DOW is maybe not the best choice,I don’t know.


  • You’re good. That J4 was crisp, and the Chinese are overwhelmed with a tiny bit of dice help. But you lost 4 footsoldiers on J1 so you deserve it.

    Thanks for sharing the experience, I can visualize what you’re talking about. If you’re going to 92, you should hit 96 with 3 units minimum, I suppose you know that now.

  • 2024 2023 '22 '15 '11 '10 Official Q&A Moderator

    I don’t like UK Egypt complex for various reasons, but your no-buy keeps fighters at home in London which forced me to do risky 96 and 97

    Maybe you already realized that, but just in case, thought I’d point it out for you

  • '19 '18

    Yep - a lesson learned the hard way.
    If the gameplan relies on merging in 92, you better shrink those SZ96 chances to <1%

  • '19 '18

    @gamerman01 said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

    That J4 was crisp,

    Thanks mate!

    I’m usually quite proud of the way I play Japan. Of course one can always improve, but Pacific almost always looks quite well for my axis.


  • Unfortunately, as I like to call it, the USSR/German front is “the only front that matters”. Of course, doing well in other places allows you to get more units there

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