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@VictoryFirst I was not aware that in classic you could rig things so to allow the attack to retreat into a territory that was captured earlier in the turn. That is interesting.

Regardless, will play on with the file where Germany retreated into Romania.

@VictoryFirst

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 3 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from United States to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone 2 destroyers moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Americans win, taking U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 destroyers Germans defend with 1 battleship Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 destroyers in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Americans win, taking British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship Non Combat Move - Americans 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to United States 1 bomber moved from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 3 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in United States 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 0.00

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@AndrewAAGamer

First, the Axis will typically have 2 BH to fire onto the US units there. Every Allied player I have seen until you have used the Naval Bombardments to clear out the UK beaches to try and save the tanks from being destroyed, as it happened in this game. Because why would anyone not want to protect 3 of 14 available tanks, most of which do not get onto the board until the middle part of the game?
That, in my opinion, shows some difference in experience since the allied tanks are a valuable resource to protect.

The main point here is that, with your math, the odds of the US having more than 1 arty walk into Omaha are 50% at best. And the Axis mostly have 2 BH to fight with, which changes your numbers.

Second, there is approximately a 33% chance that 6 dice rolling for a 1 will miss, which is common enough to say your attack into Omaha, at least with the inf, was not getting hosed by missing. But the Germans getting slightly warm dice, added to the lack of hits.

Third, I did not have 6 more units on the board. Those 6 units were on the board from the start, and Omaha Beach is not set up for the Allies to walk over like Juno and Sword Beach. Using your logic, those units walking away from the beach also led to more Allied units surviving later in the game to fire more since you did not have to fight through them on the first few turns. As you would have in most other games. Your math also fails to consider that I can bring a tank, inf, or arty in on G1 to help push the odds in my favor to get those units free from the locked battle at Omaha. Which again changes your math and leads to their escape or the UK having to come in to bog them down again which affects you ability to power project to Caen.

Yes, I had fewer German units on the board. But my play was also based on what resources I had available. Should I have had fewer units at my disposal, I would not have made the earlier attacks that I did since I could see from the board state at round 5, I was in a winning position.

This was one game, so how can you say the game is balanced? Based on the results thus far the game is 100% in favor of the Germans as they are 1-0 right now. Why don’t we play another to put your money where your mouth is to see if you can make it 1-1?

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Rumania 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 bomber moved from Germany to Bessarabia 6 fighters moved from Poland to Baltic States 4 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 8 armour, 4 artilleries and 21 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland Combat - Germans Battle in Bessarabia Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in East Poland Germans attack with 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 10/36 hits, 10.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 6 fighters and 4 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 4 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 3.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 6 fighters and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 submarine moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 5 submarines and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany 5 fighters moved from Baltic States to Netherlands-Belgium 6 infantry moved from Finland to Norway 1 bomber moved from Bessarabia to Germany Place Units - Germans 8 armour placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -1.67 Germans regular : -0.17

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@dawgoneit

Great to see it works! Turn info is not necessary, I like just posting the save file and the combat hit differential summary if any.

@captainwalker fff48fa3-fcdc-4da5-b80f-a69ba30d4c13-triplea_41317_8usa.tsvg

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9 Combat Move - ANZAC 1 cruiser moved from 82 Sea Zone to 78 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - ANZAC Combat Move - French 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 115 Sea Zone to Norway Non Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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@Tamer-of-Beasts

I think I send the latest version of WWI 1914 to someone else just before I made some updates, so if that works we can continue to play.