pacifiersboard (X) vs GeneralDisarray (L +20) BM


  • @pacifiersboard So yes or no on the scramble Gibraltar?
    You hit with planes and I could not take the sub as a causality.
    I will ask for OOL


  • @generaldisarray

    Yes, scramble please


  • @generaldisarray said in pacifiersboard (X) vs GeneralDisarray (L +20) BM:

    @pacifiersboard So yes or no on the scramble Gibraltar?
    You hit with planes and I could not take the sub as a causality.
    I will ask for OOL

    I think that you have to assign as many hits as possible and wasn’t there my dd present?



  • @generaldisarray

    kill 8 inf.

    I stil don’t understand how the American sub could retreat to sz91 where no ship came from.


  • @pacifiersboard The Sub was in southern France and if I don’t have a dest i cant take it as a causality.




  • @generaldisarray said in pacifiersboard (X) vs GeneralDisarray (L +20) BM:

    @pacifiersboard The Sub was in southern France and if I don’t have a dest i cant take it as a causality.

    ( @gamerman01 )

    isn’t it in such case about the enemy having a dd present?


  • Interesting -

    Here’s what I see -

    Sub started in 92, not South France.
    The USA sub that survived round 1 did not roll in round 2. The German destroyer was still present, so submerge should not be allowed, and I don’t see anything in the history about a submerge. This might have something to do with why the engine let the sub stay in 91.

    With the German destroyer there, the sub can’t submerge. It should have fired in round 2 but didn’t, that I could see. With the retreat, the bombers disengage and the sub would retreat to one of the sea zones that sea units passed through/came from.

    Tell me what I missed, but looks like a Triple A glitch to me

    Hope that helps you both. I think the sub needs to be rolled for round 2.


  • I don’t trust Triple A with sea battles because sometimes it doesn’t do subs and destroyers right, but this is a new one to me


  • @gamerman01

    thanks for your help!! your are cool :)

    If we need your further advice with finding a solution, we will let you know


  • Thanks, but I’m not TOO cool because I almost missed this.

    Look at the 1st round hits and casualties. It looks like a German sub hit, and then the rest of the Germans got 6 more hits. Only 6 hits were taken by the Americans according to the history. Maybe this is why the 2nd sub wasn’t rolled in the 2nd round. Triple A counted it as sunk so didn’t roll for it, but it remained there like a ghost and was there at the end of the battle. If this is the case, there should be no American sub at the end at all, and there should be no sub roll for the 2nd round (so scratch what I said before)

    I’ll double check


  • Battle started with 17 vs. 18 HP

    Americans score 6
    Germans score 7

    Triple A shows Americans losing 6 HP, 2nd sub was apparently sunk, making 7

    It’s 10 v 12

    Americans score 5
    Germans score 8

    It’s 2 v 7

    2 US bombers, dBB, DD, 5 fighter German

    USA sub was actually sunk.
    No re-rolling, or any other fix needed. Edit the sub gone

    Thanks, it was fun



  • @generaldisarray Can edit the sub away just caught this


  • @generaldisarray

    Game History

    Round: 10
    
        Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 artillery and 1 bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
                  Italians take Persia from British
            1 artillery moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
            1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
    
        Combat - Italians
            Battle in Iraq
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Iraq, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Iraq
                    Italians roll dice for 1 fighter in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
                Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 submarine
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians win, taking 98 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
    
        Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 fighter moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to France
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
    
        Place Units - Italians
            1 bomber placed in Southern Italy
            1 artillery placed in Caucasus
    
        Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4
            Italians collect 17 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 17 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 24 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Italians regular : -0,17
    British regular : 0,17
    

    39402_10ita!_.tsvg



  • @generaldisarray

    Game History

    Round: 11
    
        Research Technology - Germans
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 airfield, 3 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 7 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq
            1 armour moved from Sakha to Soviet Far East
                  Germans take Siberia from Russians
                  Germans take Soviet Far East from Russians
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 85 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Iraq
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Denmark to Southern Italy
            1 artillery moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Egypt
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Syria
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Syria
            1 infantry moved from France to Northern Italy
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan
            1 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Northwest Persia
            3 armour moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
    
        Combat - Germans
            Strategic bombing raid in Egypt
                    British roll AA dice in Egypt : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Bombing raid in Egypt rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: harbour
                Bombing raid in Egypt causes 6 damage total. 
            Battle in Iraq
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
                ANZAC defend with 1 fighter
                    Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Iraq, round 2 : 4/13 hits, 3,50 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter in Iraq, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the ANZAC and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Iraq
                Germans win, taking Iraq from British with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 91 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Syria
            2 fighters moved from Iraq to Syria
            1 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Syria
            1 aaGun moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
            1 aaGun moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
            1 aaGun moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan
            1 artillery moved from 115 Sea Zone to Finland
    
        Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 93 Sea Zone
            1 airfield placed in Syria
            2 infantry placed in France
            5 infantry placed in Western Germany
            3 armour placed in Volgograd
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry placed in Russia
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from France: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,5
            Germans collect 73 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 73 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 82 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 102 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    British AA : -0,17
    Germans regular : 0,33
    British regular : 0,00
    

    39402_11ger_.tsvg


  • @pacifiersboard Can always just skip ahead as russia has 0 units left

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