pacifiersboard (X) vs GeneralDisarray (L +20) BM

[gamerman01]

Interesting -

Here’s what I see -

Sub started in 92, not South France.
The USA sub that survived round 1 did not roll in round 2. The German destroyer was still present, so submerge should not be allowed, and I don’t see anything in the history about a submerge. This might have something to do with why the engine let the sub stay in 91.

With the German destroyer there, the sub can’t submerge. It should have fired in round 2 but didn’t, that I could see. With the retreat, the bombers disengage and the sub would retreat to one of the sea zones that sea units passed through/came from.

Tell me what I missed, but looks like a Triple A glitch to me

Hope that helps you both. I think the sub needs to be rolled for round 2.

[gamerman01]

I don’t trust Triple A with sea battles because sometimes it doesn’t do subs and destroyers right, but this is a new one to me

[pacifiersboard]

@gamerman01

thanks for your help!! your are cool :)

If we need your further advice with finding a solution, we will let you know

[gamerman01]

Thanks, but I’m not TOO cool because I almost missed this.

Look at the 1st round hits and casualties. It looks like a German sub hit, and then the rest of the Germans got 6 more hits. Only 6 hits were taken by the Americans according to the history. Maybe this is why the 2nd sub wasn’t rolled in the 2nd round. Triple A counted it as sunk so didn’t roll for it, but it remained there like a ghost and was there at the end of the battle. If this is the case, there should be no American sub at the end at all, and there should be no sub roll for the 2nd round (so scratch what I said before)

I’ll double check

[gamerman01]

Battle started with 17 vs. 18 HP

Americans score 6
Germans score 7

Triple A shows Americans losing 6 HP, 2nd sub was apparently sunk, making 7

It’s 10 v 12

Americans score 5
Germans score 8

It’s 2 v 7

2 US bombers, dBB, DD, 5 fighter German

USA sub was actually sunk.
No re-rolling, or any other fix needed. Edit the sub gone

Thanks, it was fun

[GeneralDisarray]

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[GeneralDisarray]

@generaldisarray Can edit the sub away just caught this

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 artillery and 1 bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
              Italians take Persia from British
        1 artillery moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Caucasus
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Iraq
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Iraq
            Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Iraq, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Iraq
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 98 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 submarine
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
            Italians win, taking 98 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 fighter moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
        1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
        1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to France
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 bomber placed in Southern Italy
        1 artillery placed in Caucasus

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4
        Italians collect 17 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 17 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 24 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0,17
British regular : 0,17

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[GeneralDisarray]

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[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

Game History

Round: 11

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 airfield, 3 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 7 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq
        1 armour moved from Sakha to Soviet Far East
              Germans take Siberia from Russians
              Germans take Soviet Far East from Russians
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 85 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Iraq
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Denmark to Southern Italy
        1 artillery moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Denmark to Western Germany
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Egypt
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Syria
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Syria
        1 infantry moved from France to Northern Italy
        1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
        1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan
        1 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Northwest Persia
        3 armour moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg

    Combat - Germans
        Strategic bombing raid in Egypt
                British roll AA dice in Egypt : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Egypt rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: harbour
            Bombing raid in Egypt causes 6 damage total. 
        Battle in Iraq
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
            ANZAC defend with 1 fighter
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Iraq, round 2 : 4/13 hits, 3,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter in Iraq, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the ANZAC and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Iraq
            Germans win, taking Iraq from British with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
        Battle in 91 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 91 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Egypt to Syria
        2 fighters moved from Iraq to Syria
        1 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Syria
        1 aaGun moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 aaGun moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
        1 aaGun moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan
        1 artillery moved from 115 Sea Zone to Finland

    Place Units - Germans
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 93 Sea Zone
        1 airfield placed in Syria
        2 infantry placed in France
        5 infantry placed in Western Germany
        3 armour placed in Volgograd
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
        1 mech_infantry placed in Russia
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from France: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,5
        Germans collect 73 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 73 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 82 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 102 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British AA : -0,17
Germans regular : 0,33
British regular : 0,00

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[GeneralDisarray]

@pacifiersboard Can always just skip ahead as russia has 0 units left

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from Shan State to 38 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 79 Sea Zone to West India
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shan State to 38 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 39 Sea Zone to Ceylon
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
        1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Burma
        1 artillery moved from Yunnan to Burma
        1 armour moved from Hunan to Burma
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to India
        3 bombers moved from French Indo China to India
        4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from French Indo China to Burma
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to 75 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Ceylon
        Battle in 75 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 75 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Ceylon from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in West India
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun and 1 bomber
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in West India, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 bomber in West India, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in West India
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in West India, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 bomber in West India, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in West India, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 bomber in West India, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British lost in West India
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in West India, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 bomber in West India, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the British lost in West India
            Japanese win, taking West India from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 bomber
        Battle in India
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship in India, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in India, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in India
            Japanese destroys 9PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
            Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 3 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in Burma
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                British roll AA dice in Burma : 1/6 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Burma, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 2 : 3/12 hits, 5,33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Burma, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 artilleries owned by the Japanese, 2 aaGuns owned by the British and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 3 : 5/7 hits, 3,67 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Burma, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese, 1 mech_infantry owned by the British, 1 armour owned by the Japanese, 1 artillery owned by the British and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma
                Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 4 : 3/5 hits, 2,83 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery in Burma, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Burma
            Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from 75 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone
        3 bombers moved from India to Shan State
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 fighter moved from India to Shan State
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
        2 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
        1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        3 carriers moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to French Indo China

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Malaya
        Japanese undo move 1.
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Malaya
        3 mech_infantrys placed in French Indo China
        1 fighter placed in Japan
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 60 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 2,50
British AA : 0,00
UK_Pacific regular : 2,00

sry, so hard to remember ;)

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[GeneralDisarray]

@pacifiersboard Well gave it one more shot GG lost too many key battles overall. Well played

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray thx, gg - may we meet again in the playoffs 😉