w@w team game 15

@dawgoneit
@Elrood forgot to move Bermuda cruiser and he asked me to move it while he was at work. It moves to SZ29 and Canadian DD build and cruiser both move to join it there instead of SZ22.triplea_41573_1bri edit.tsvg

@Elrood That’s somewhat true, but G is mostly a one-trick pony, take Paris. While the Centrals have won many, but not most of our games without G taking Paris, as the other players and their strategies and abilities took center stage.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 12 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 airfield, 2 destroyers, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 submarine moved from 46 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 6 carriers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Midway to 25 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 1 destroyer, 10 fighters, 1 marine and 3 submarines moved from 25 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 8 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands Combat - Japanese Battle in 8 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 1 destroyer, 10 fighters and 3 submarines Americans defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 3 submarines in 8 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 1 destroyer and 10 fighters in 8 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/12 hits, 6.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 8 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 8 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 1 destroyer, 10 fighters and 3 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Battle in Aleutian Islands Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking Aleutian Islands from Americans with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer Battle in 37 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 6 carriers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 6 carriers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 37 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 6 carriers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 tactical_bombers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya 5 armour, 7 artilleries, 8 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Shan State 1 aaGun moved from Hunan to Kwangsi 1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan 1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Shan State 1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Shan State 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Shan State 1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Szechwan 1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Kweichow 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Chahar 1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Anhwe 3 armour moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Shan State 2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Malaya 1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Japan to 36 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 cruisers, 4 infantry, 2 marines and 2 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State 2 marines moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to French Indo China 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to French Indo China 2 fighters moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Malaya to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 1 factory_minor placed in Malaya 1 airfield placed in French Indo China 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China 1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 20 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 60 PUs; end with 60 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.50 Japanese regular : -0.17 ANZAC regular : 0.67

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 9 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 7 fighters and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 2 battleships, 7 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 7 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Philippines to 54 Sea Zone 1 bomber and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Caroline Islands to 54 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from French Indo China to 54 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from French Indo China to 45 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island Combat - Japanese Americans scrambles 1 units out of Queensland to defend against the attack in 54 Sea Zone Battle in Midway Battle in 45 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 bomber ANZAC defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 45 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking Midway from Americans with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in Wake Island Battle in 54 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 1 bomber, 7 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 12 fighters, 2 submarines and 12 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 2 battleships, 5 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 fighters, 3 submarines, 3 tactical_bombers and 4 transports; ANZAC defend with 3 carriers, 1 destroyer and 5 fighters Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 bomber, 7 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 12 fighters and 12 tactical_bombers in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 14/31 hits, 17.50 expected hits Units damaged: 3 carriers owned by the ANZAC, 5 carriers owned by the Americans and 2 battleships owned by the Americans Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese Americans roll dice for 2 battleships, 8 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 11 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 4 transports in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 19/31 hits, 15.50 expected hits Units damaged: 2 battleships owned by the Japanese 7 carriers owned by the Japanese, 2 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 54 Sea Zone 3 submarines owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 54 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 12 fighters and 12 tactical_bombers in 54 Sea Zone, round 3 : 20/29 hits, 16.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 battleships, 8 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 11 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 4 transports in 54 Sea Zone, round 3 : 17/30 hits, 15.17 expected hits 6 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese, 10 fighters owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese lost in 54 Sea Zone 3 carriers owned by the ANZAC, 3 fighters owned by the ANZAC, 2 cruisers owned by the Americans, 4 destroyers owned by the Americans, 3 tactical_bombers owned by the Americans and 5 carriers owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 6 tactical_bombers in 54 Sea Zone, round 4 : 8/12 hits, 6.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 battleships, 8 fighters and 4 transports in 54 Sea Zone, round 4 : 8/10 hits, 6.67 expected hits 6 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese and 2 fighters owned by the Japanese lost in 54 Sea Zone 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC and 6 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 54 Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 battleships and 4 transports in 54 Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the Japanese lost in 54 Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships and 1 destroyer in 54 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 4 transports in 54 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 battleship owned by the Japanese lost in 54 Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone 4 transports owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking Wake Island from Americans, taking 54 Sea Zone from ANZAC with 1 battleship and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is -17 Casualties for Japanese: 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 7 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 12 fighters, 2 submarines and 12 tactical_bombers Casualties for ANZAC: 3 carriers, 1 destroyer and 5 fighters Casualties for Americans: 2 battleships, 5 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 fighters, 3 submarines, 3 tactical_bombers and 4 transports Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to French Indo China 6 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 3 artilleries moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 6 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan Place Units - Japanese 3 infantry placed in Shantung 3 fighters placed in French Indo China 4 fighters placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 66 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 84 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 7.17 Japanese regular : -1.67

Savegame

@Witt use the last post…I made a ncm edit

New team game 16 opening post is now up on #41470. I will take G1 turn shortly.

Still need @dawgoneit to choose between Fra/Serb and UK.

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 14

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 14 Purchase Units - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 89 to 93 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Americans buy 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 5 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 3 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Southern France 7 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Southern France 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam 2 marines moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 2 marines and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island 5 battleships, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 10 fighters, 5 submarines and 8 tactical_bombers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Wake Island to 35 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Philippines to defend against the attack in 35 Sea Zone Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 cruiser owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits. Rolls: 6 Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits. Rolls: 3 Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 cruiser owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits. Rolls: 3 Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 1 hits. Rolls: 1 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 35 Sea Zone Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits. Rolls: 4 Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits. Rolls: 3 Battle in Guam Battle in Iwo Jima Battle in Southern France Americans attack with 9 fighters, 5 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers Italians defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 9 fighters, 5 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Southern France, round 2 : 8/18 hits, 8.00 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Southern France 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France Americans win, taking Guam from Japanese, taking Iwo Jima from Japanese, taking Southern France from Italians with 9 fighters, 4 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry Battle in Paulau Island Americans attack with 2 marines Japanese defend with 1 artillery Americans roll dice for 2 marines in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Paulau Island, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Paulau Island Americans win, taking Paulau Island from Japanese with 2 marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery Battle in 35 Sea Zone Americans attack with 5 battleships, 1 bomber, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 8 fighters, 5 submarines and 8 tactical_bombers; ANZAC loiter and taunt Japanese defend with 3 battleships, 11 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 13 fighters, 3 submarines and 7 tactical_bombers Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits Units damaged: 2 carriers owned by the Japanese Americans roll dice for 5 battleships, 1 bomber, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 8 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 13/27 hits, 15.33 expected hits Units damaged: 9 carriers owned by the Japanese and 3 battleships owned by the Japanese Japanese roll dice for 3 submarines in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans Japanese roll dice for 3 battleships, 11 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 13 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 22/39 hits, 19.83 expected hits Units damaged: 5 battleships owned by the Americans 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC and 9 carriers owned by the Americans lost in 35 Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 35 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 35 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 5 battleships, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 8 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers in 35 Sea Zone, round 3 : 19/27 hits, 15.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 35 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 battleships, 11 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 13 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers in 35 Sea Zone, round 3 : 23/39 hits, 19.83 expected hits 5 submarines owned by the Americans, 2 cruisers owned by the Americans, 3 destroyers owned by the Americans, 6 tactical_bombers owned by the Americans and 7 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 35 Sea Zone 6 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese, 11 carriers owned by the Japanese, 3 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 35 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 5 battleships, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers in 35 Sea Zone, round 4 : 7/9 hits, 5.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 battleships, 2 cruisers, 13 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 35 Sea Zone, round 4 : 14/19 hits, 12.17 expected hits 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Americans, 1 fighter owned by the Americans, 1 bomber owned by the Americans and 5 battleships owned by the Americans lost in 35 Sea Zone 4 fighters owned by the Japanese, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese and 2 cruisers owned by the Japanese lost in 35 Sea Zone Japanese win with 3 battleships and 9 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -165 Casualties for Americans: 5 battleships, 1 bomber, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 8 fighters, 5 submarines and 8 tactical_bombers Casualties for ANZAC: 2 fighters Casualties for Japanese: 11 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters, 3 submarines and 7 tactical_bombers Moving scrambled unit from 35 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Philippines Moving scrambled unit from 35 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Philippines Moving scrambled unit from 35 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Philippines 6 fighters owned by the Japanese forced to land in Philippines Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 9 fighters moved from Southern France to 110 Sea Zone 3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands Place Units - Americans 3 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 1 battleship and 1 carrier placed in 10 Sea Zone 2 fighters, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 60 PUs; end with 61 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 81 PUs Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 96 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 101 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 4.67 Japanese regular : 7.00 Italians regular : 0.33

Savegame

@axis-dominion

Joel said he would move but we haven’t been able to coordinate meeting due to Holidays etc.

I will ping him and see if we can set something up soon.

Sorry!