Global 1940 and 1943 Expansion for use with TripleA

@Panther thank you Panther. Was already thinking I need to redo move, and have also gotten similar advice from Simon. I very much appreciate this board and the folks here.

@FMErwinRommel Good find! As in Global “UK Pacific units” simply do not exist.
By the rules “All combat moves, combat, and noncombat moves are made or conducted as any other power’s single, united force.”
So the TripleA battle calculator seems to somehow “sort” those units depending on whether they are on the European side of the map or on the Pacific side of the map.

Interestingly this does not occur with sea units. Those are correctly represented as being “British”, even on the Pacific side of the map.

@redrum :

In the attached savegame please use the BattleCalculator and look at SZ 37 and 39. The UK ships are correctly represented as “British”. The Infantry units in Malaya instead are incorrectly represented as “UK Pacific”, while they should be “British”, too. Switching to “British” sets everything to “Zero”. This is not exactly @FMErwinRommel 's scenario, but good enough to represent the issue.

testG40Bcalc2.tsvg

(https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/5844)

Thanks for the answer! I understand perfectly.

Have a look, fork it and contribute:
https://github.com/triplea-game

I recall Veq saying that the 1914 rules presented a number of near insurmountable problems for TripleA in its present state. Frankly reading the rulebook for that game made me want to bang my head against the wall.
:-D

It departs in significant ways from previous Axis and Allies games, and adds several elements that just have no real comparison with the earlier boards. The combat rules (single combat round attacking), the unit interactions, air supremacy, the rules for movement or occupation, the colonies, the neutrals, ports, Russian revolution, income collection, placement etc, are all so different from the WW2 games, that its hard to draw any direct parallels.

Basically, having played any of the World War II Axis and Allies games, doesn’t do you a whole lot of good in learning how to play 1914. In some ways it might even confuse the situation further, because you come into it with so many expectations, that are immediately upset at every conceivable point.

I don’t like to be a downer on 1914, since it does introduce some novel ideas into A&A, but on the whole I was kind of disappointed with this game. The only experience I can compare it to, was trying to learn Guadalcanal, which was pretty headache inducing. For me the main bummer, was that 1914 attempted all these really radical rules revisions in order simulate the world war 1 feel, but I think you could have accomplished a similar feel, just focusing more on the unit roster and the map design.

I appreciate how hard it is though to attempt WW1 in the A&A framework. The Great War game I made for tripleA with Surtur presented all sorts of frustrations. And that Great War game made no core revisions to the ruleset (since obviously that wasn’t possible in tripleA at the time.) It was tricky enough just depicting “free graphics” and things like that in TripleA, since at the time most stuff was still drawn directly on the baseline maps. But in a way, I think that was helpful, because it forced us to consider what a World War 1 game might look like, using the same essential rules that all the other Axis and Allies games used up until that point.

At that point the engine could handle Classic, Revised, and the two theater games then in print, Europe 1999 and Pacific 2001. For our Great War game we could change simple stuff, like unit attack/defense values, or how far they moved, or how much they cost, but we couldn’t just up and create an entirely new combat system for them! Because the TripleA engine didn’t work like that! heheh. We could change the way territories were drawn or distributed across the gamemap, but not how they were contested, or how placement of units within them worked. Instead we had to build within the confines of rules that already existed on other A&A gameboards. So in my mind, that Great War game, still felt a lot like Axis and Allies, even if it was ridiculously large and sprawling and kind of annoying with some of the insets and whatnot. At least you could say something like “hey, you’ve played Classic or A&A Europe? Well this game works basically the same way.” And then you go on trying to fit the square peg into the round hole, and make a WW1 game that vaguely fits with the familiar ruleset.

1914 is a totally different beast though, and took a very different approach, by introducing a whole host of new rules and mechanics. Each phase in the sequence of play involved a core change of one sort or another. And even using my most diehard A&A buddy as a test subject, trying to teach it was nearly impossible. It made the 1940 game look like a cake-walk by comparison, despite having like half the unit types and half the game tiles, and after a few sessions, he was like “dude, this is frustrating, lets just play Global.”

Not to knock it, since I like many of the discrete elements and ideas it introduces, but as a cohesive whole, 1914 just felt like a completely different game to me. I’m not sure why it has Axis and Allies in the title, beyond branding purposes.

I’m not holding my breath on this one. Even though I think it would be hugely helpful to have a tripleA version of this game, just for teaching/learning purposes. Unfortunately I just don’t see the critical mass of enthusiasm for it, from either the devs or the player base, that is usually required to get a tripleA simulation up and running. But who knows? Maybe Frogg and Blumb can get a groundswell going. It would be cool to see some of the 1914 features included in TripleA, just to expand the options with the engine, and allow more customization for mods and such.

Right, this is supposed to be the only map-change from 1st editon to 2nd edition.
TripleA 1940 Alpha 3 for example reflects the map of the first edition,
TripleA 1940 Second Edition has the change, but only technically; that means that you cannot enter Yukon in (TA) G40 second edition.

Unstickied for now, as content and links are outdated.
A possible update is pending.

We also have this article covering almost the same content:

http://www.axisandallies.org/p/how-to-play-axis-allies-org-forum-games-with-triplea/

TripleA 1.3.2.2 Stable has been released (July 23rd, 2011), download it here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/triplea/files/

direct link:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/triplea/files/TripleA/1_3_2_2/

Maps were updated on July 9th 2011, so please redownload your maps if you haven’t already (especially any ww2v3 style maps)  (repairing and some techs won’t work unless you redownload your maps)

Changes from 1.2.5.5 to 1.3.2.2

All known bugs in 1.2.5.5 are fixed. Major improvements to the AIs, especially to Moore AI. A new AI added, Dynamix, which is land only for now, but still being worked on. 4 new maps added, now TripleA comes with 11 games. More help for new users, including tool tips for unit stats and abilities. Massive expansion in the options and customizing of games. Many new options which allow modders to make their own board games, and their own rules and gameplay. Partial support for Axis and Allies 1940 games. Pacific 1940 is 80% done, while Global is 40% done.  This is still being worked on of course.

thanks,
veqryn
http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki/

I should mention that Revised, Spring 1942, and the 50th Anniversary Edition look beautiful on this release!  Come give TripleA a try….

For those of you who do not know, TripleA is a game engine for playing A&A and similar games online, both for Live games and PBEM.  It also has single player against 3 different AIs, and Hotseat mode.  There are regularly 20-60 people in the online lobby, and lots more people play custom games and really big maps by PBEM.  
:mrgreen: