L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV

ArtofWar1947

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 21

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

Game History

Round: 21

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        4 fighters moved from 100 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 100 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 4 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Trans-Jordan

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

ArtofWar1947

@artofwar1947

Scramble from SZ 83 to defend SZ 100 and/or T-J?

Scramble from Iraq to defend T-J?

trulpen

@artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

@artofwar1947

Scramble from SZ 83 to defend SZ 100 and/or T-J?

Scramble from Iraq to defend T-J?

Can’t scramble to z100 since there are no friendly surface ship there. No scramble to Jordan.

ArtofWar1947

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 22

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

Game History

Round: 22

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans repair damage of 1x factory_major; Remaining resources: 37 PUs; 
        Germans buy 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        4 infantry moved from Germany to Austria
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Poland
        3 tactical_bombers moved from France to Austria
        4 fighters moved from Germany to Poland
        5 fighters moved from Germany to Austria

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Austria
            Germans attack with 5 fighters, 4 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 5 fighters, 4 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Austria, round 2 : 5/12 hits, 5.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                4 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Austria
            Germans win, taking Austria from Russians with 5 fighters, 4 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry
        Battle in Poland
            Germans attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Poland, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland
            Germans win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Western Germany
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Austria to France
        5 fighters moved from Austria to Germany
        4 fighters moved from Poland to Western Germany
        5 fighters moved from Germany to Western Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in France
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern France

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 31 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 36 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 128 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 116 Sea Zone: 2 submarines
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.00
Germans regular : -0.50

Savegame

trulpenplay

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 22

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

Game History

Round: 22

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 12 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        3 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Germany
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern France
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria
              Chinese take Southern Manchuria from Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea

    Combat - Russians
        Strategic bombing raid in Southern France
                Germans roll AA dice in Southern France : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            1 bomber killed by AA
            Bombing raid in Southern France causes 0 damage total. 
        Strategic bombing raid in Germany
                Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_major
            Bombing raid in Germany causes 4 damage total. 
        Battle in Austria
            Russians attack with 8 fighters, 4 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers
            Germans defend with 4 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 8 fighters, 4 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers in Austria, round 2 : 7/18 hits, 8,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 4 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 4 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Austria
            Russians win, taking Austria from Germans with 8 fighters, 3 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 4 infantry
        Battle in Korea
            Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Korea, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Korea
            Russians win, taking Korea from Japanese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Korea to Northern Manchuria
        1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
        1 submarine moved from 130 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers moved from 130 Sea Zone to 129 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
        2 fighters moved from Austria to Norway
        2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Belarus to Slovakia Hungary
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Slovakia Hungary
        6 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Austria to Norway
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter moved from Austria to Norway
        4 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Austria to Slovakia Hungary
        2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland
        3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
        3 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
        1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
        3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia

    Place Units - Russians
        3 artilleries placed in Slovakia Hungary
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Romania
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Leningrad
        3 infantry placed in Finland
        1 infantry placed in Norway
        2 transports placed in 129 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5
        Russians collect 69 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 69 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 76 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 24 PUs; end with 100 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0,67
Germans AA : 0,67
Germans regular : -0,33
Russians regular : -1,17

Savegame

trulpen

Wait. Before J moves. Just remembered we talked about the sea zones around DNG.

trulpenplay

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 22

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

Game History

Round: 22

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 12 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        3 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Germany
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern France
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
        1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria
              Chinese take Southern Manchuria from Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea

    Combat - Russians
        Strategic bombing raid in Southern France
                Germans roll AA dice in Southern France : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            1 bomber killed by AA
            Bombing raid in Southern France causes 0 damage total. 
        Strategic bombing raid in Germany
                Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_major
            Bombing raid in Germany causes 4 damage total. 
        Battle in Austria
            Russians attack with 8 fighters, 4 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers
            Germans defend with 4 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 8 fighters, 4 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers in Austria, round 2 : 7/18 hits, 8,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 4 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 4 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Austria
            Russians win, taking Austria from Germans with 8 fighters, 3 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 4 infantry
        Battle in Korea
            Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Korea, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Korea
            Russians win, taking Korea from Japanese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Korea to Northern Manchuria
        1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
        1 submarine moved from 130 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers moved from 130 Sea Zone to 129 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
        2 fighters moved from Austria to Norway
        2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Belarus to Slovakia Hungary
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Slovakia Hungary
        6 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Austria to Norway
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter moved from Austria to Norway
        4 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Austria to Slovakia Hungary
        2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland
        3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
        3 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
        1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
        3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia

    Place Units - Russians
        3 artilleries placed in Slovakia Hungary
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Romania
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Leningrad
        3 infantry placed in Finland
        1 infantry placed in Norway
        2 transports placed in 129 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5
        Russians collect 69 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 69 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 76 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 24 PUs; end with 100 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 35 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 46 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0,67
Germans AA : 0,67
Germans regular : -0,33
Russians regular : -1,17

Savegame

trulpen

On my map the JN can’t reach z35, but I think we came to the conclusion that the old rules are implemented so there might be a passage there. In that case US wanted to put a blocker in z46 (atleast that’s the sz in my map).

ArtofWar1947

@trulpen

Yes, we discussed the issue. Allies showed no mercy at Hawaii; Japanese show no mercy now.

trulpen

I have to many games going. Easy to forget.

ArtofWar1947

@trulpen

At least you have two good excuses. Imagine how I feel about overlooking blocking SZ 29 to win the game.

trulpen

@artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

Yes, we discussed the issue. Allies showed no mercy at Hawaii; Japanese show no mercy now.

Actually, Axis showed no mercy first, namely in z11, which of course was a shot for the win. Not attacking Hawaii would have meant a loss of the game, so taking the opportunity, especially after the previous situation (an eye for an eye), was a no-brainer.

Anyhow, this is particularly weird not to allow, since I’m at a faulty map. Yet I agree, the responsibility to keep track of the irregularities is my own. Have to remember the old scramble-rules as well.

Feel free to go ahead and slaughter the USN. Again. With the risk of being rather costly and a phyrric victory. At the same time US seems to have managed some kind of fleet superiority already, so it sure is tricky.

ArtofWar1947

@trulpen

The genesis of the current state of affairs was the Allies attacks on unsuspecting German and Japanese transports. In both cases, the transports could have been easily defended with fighters. It was my oversight that led to their demise, and so I did not make a plea for reconsideration. However, these cases also made clear that I could not expect warnings about obvious mistakes and, thus, was under no imperative to do the same.

I agree that a Japanese attack on the Ally fleet in SZ 35 will be costly. But it might also make the game interesting again. I was resigned to concede at the end of the round before this possibility. I am considering what to do, what are the possible outcomes, and whether one of the choices will afford some chance of victory.

trulpen

Not sure what situations you’re refering to (please specify, if you want), but again, 6-18 IPC TUV-swing is not really comparable to 100-250 IPC TUV-swing. Objectively speaking.

I usually give my opponents heads-up if I see weird moves or positioning or if a unit hasn’t moved. But again, it also depends on the opponent. I find it somewhat strange that I didn’t do that with you then, if I didn’t, but it might have to do with my present life-situation which is kind of stressed and difficult.

In any case, I think we started off our game with a rather liberal approach, and then after the midgame it has gotten very unforgiving on both sides. Zero tolerance is the present maxime. I’m doing my best to adjust. ;)

trulpen

Also, I’m positive that if you’d said something like “oh, shit, I forgot that carriers can’t scramble to protect only transports”, I would’ve allowed you to support it/them with a des or such in order to protect them. Easily done afterwards. Don’t know the specific situation(s) though. Think I should’ve asked if it looked weird.

trulpen

@trulpen said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

Think I should’ve asked if it looked weird.

Sometimes it’s rational to sacrifice trannies though.

ArtofWar1947

@trulpen

The Russians attacked the undefended German transport in SZ 118 Round 8 from Novgorod. Costly oversight on my part. If I had to do it over again, the German transport would have moved to SZ 116, where it could have transported land troops to Norway, was out of range of the Russian air force, and could have been protected from the US bomber in the UK by a scrambled fighter from WG. My recollection is that an unprotected Japanese transport was lost unnecessarily some rounds afterward due to another oversight.

ArtofWar1947

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 22

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

Game History

Round: 22

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 10 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 armour moved from Kwangtung to Fukien
              Japanese take Fukien from Chinese
        1 armour moved from Fukien to Kwangtung
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
        3 fighters moved from Malaya to Kwangsi
        2 battleships, 5 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 6 fighters, 4 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from New South Wales to 48 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from New South Wales to 35 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 armour moved from New South Wales to South Australia
              Japanese take South Australia from UK_Pacific
        1 armour moved from South Australia to Victoria
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from New South Wales to Victoria
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        11 fighters moved from Kwangtung to 35 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        2 fighters moved from Japan to Korea
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shantung
              Japanese take Shantung from Chinese
        2 destroyers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

ArtofWar1947

@artofwar1947

Scramble fighter fromCV in SZ 34 to defend SZ 35?

trulpen

@artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

@artofwar1947

Scramble fighter fromCV in SZ 34 to defend SZ 35?

No scramble.

L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 21

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 22

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 22

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 22

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 22

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