Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

trulpen

Also, the french fig may seem like it’s got nothing to do most of the game, but just wait until that sweet can-opening moment…

trulpen

I’d only scramble if there were a 10 TUV-difference or more against not doing it.

Sorry guys, but I think it’s better to get this Colossus going. The decision is made. Submerge all and no scramble.

However, feel free to chip in while we wait for Andrew’s execution of battles and the turn.

trulpen

If this goes too slow, I think a lot of interest will be lost. Maybe it’s just me being impatient? :grimacing: I’ll try and get a good balance though between listening in and proceeding. It’s a complex game, but waiting 2-3 days for every little decision isn’t particularly rational. Would you agree?

Omega1759

@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

I’d only scramble if there were a 10 TUV-difference or more against not doing it.

Sorry guys, but I think it’s better to get this Colossus going. The decision is made. Submerge all and no scramble.

However, feel free to chip in while we wait for Andrew’s execution of battles and the turn.

Once decided no reason to wait.

Understand the reluctance to scramble, the move considers the long game and puts lots of value in reducing options for the Luftwaffe (In hands of a good player the starting Luftwaffe is worth a lot more than IPC swing).

Another way to think about this, pretty sure Andrew doesn’t want us to scramble :) and risk attrition on the Luftwaffe.

Moves such as this (when you can afford them, let’s not be reckless) end up reducing options for the adversary. If Andrew knows that we aren’t afraid to force attritional battles and if this is against his declared style, we expand our range of options and reduce his range of options. This is a bit like playing aggressive at poker which may be slightly suboptimal/risky for this particular hand, but good in the long run. A very good Allied player once said that to win as the allies, drink a beer and play a bit looser! ;)

trulpen

I follow your line of thinking. I’m actually in favour of it, but not in this situation. If it fails and G doesn’t lose any air at all, UK will be in a terrible position. It’s simply not worth the risk. Those air can do a much better job later on, especially during UK1, than sacrificing themselves in a lucky hope.

Also, Andrew explicitly informed us that he’d be happy if we scrambled in z110. I’m confident it’s nothing as silly as reversed psychology, but the honest opinion. And I agree with that conclusion.

If UK is lucky in that scramble, however, it’d be awesome, but it’s not even 50 % chance of getting a decent result.

surfer

I vote with @trulpen. For the same reasons,
A) it was the plan before we started.
B) as the allies you should play defensive and extend the game initially for the US entry.
Unless there is a target of opportunity-taranto/tobruk.
C) the point was to save a a large portion of the home fleet. We have taken the first step there, but are still in dangerous waters. Need to regroup, and choose a better battle. Not sz110 either. I thought the point was to use this fleet to cover early us trn buys. With much less effort, the US can start invading 1+ turns earlier than a “normal” build up

Regarding timing of moves, i vote for:
24 hrs for scramble decisions,
48 for purchase + combat moves+ ideas where to NCM,
24 hrs after combat results to freshen up NCM choices due to battle results.

surfer

Also, we should believe @AndrewAAGamer comments at all times in this particular game. He has gone to alot of work to set this teaching game up ( sorry @trulpen, no disrepect intended. You are also key in this.) So his purpose is not to confuse,but instruct

trulpen

Sounds good.

May I have the benefit of making choices when there’s no choice in reality? Like with some scramble options, causalty-selections and such?

surfer

Of course, if you happen to play him in another game…all bets are off.🤔

trulpen

@surfer said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

Of course, if you happen to play him in another game…all bets are off.🤔

Sorry, don’t follow. :)

surfer

@trulpen I’m good with that. 👍

surfer

@trulpen Hmm, I and thought you were a smart guy…uh oh we’re doomed🤣

trulpen

@surfer said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

@trulpen Hmm, I and thought you were a smart guy…uh oh we’re doomed🤣

Haha, it’s just that English is not my native language. And my brain configuration might be a bit different than most peoples, although in this forum I’d say I’m in majority. ;) I just didn’t understand that about “another game” and “all bets are off”. Was that perchance a compliment, that you believe I’d give dear Andrew a match? :grinning:

Omega1759

@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

I follow your line of thinking. I’m actually in favour of it, but not in this situation. If it fails and G doesn’t lose any air at all, UK will be in a terrible position. It’s simply not worth the risk. Those air can do a much better job later on, especially during UK1, than sacrificing themselves in a lucky hope.

Also, Andrew explicitly informed us that he’d be happy if we scrambled in z110. I’m confident it’s nothing as silly as reversed psychology, but the honest opinion. And I agree with that conclusion.

If UK is lucky in that scramble, however, it’d be awesome, but it’s not even 50 % chance of getting a decent result.

BTW hadn’t seen his comment on the 110 scramble, certainly didn’t mean to imply reverse psychology, I simply put myself in his shoes under the path he is taking (sea lion off table, J1 DOW). Losing 2 planes under that is tolerable but the volatility around the outcome would certainly cause me to take a deep breath before the battle.

trulpen

@Omega1759 said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

BTW hadn’t seen his comment on the 110 scramble, certainly didn’t mean to imply reverse psychology, I simply put myself in his shoes under the path he is taking (sea lion off table, J1 DOW). Losing 2 planes under that is tolerable but the volatility around the outcome would certainly cause me to take a deep breath before the battle.

For me, if I was in his shoes, I’d be full of anticipation. :grinning:

AndrewAAGamer

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 6 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Norway to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
        3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
        3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France

Savegame

AndrewAAGamer

@Omega1759 said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

Can’t see map, is one sub not on the attack?

Hmmm, had some issues saving last night. Let me try reposting.

Omega1759

@AndrewAAGamer said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

@Omega1759 said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

Can’t see map, is one sub not on the attack?

Hmmm, had some issues saving last night. Let me try reposting.

All right, we want to see the dice, go KILL!

surfer

@trulpen you fooled me, that you were not a native English speaker because i thought you’re comment was a sly rejoiner, not an expression of confusion. As usual, explaining a joke destroys it, but since you asked, here goes:

I meant any future, non-teaching games anyone may play @AndrewAAGamer, they cannot make the assumption he won’t make deceptive comments.

When you said “sorry, i dont follow”, i thought you were being silly/snide and pretended to not understand because i assumed my comment was clear to anyone. So i “continued” your joke with my next comment…

trulpen

@surfer said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

@trulpen you fooled me, that you were not a native English speaker because i thought you’re comment was a sly rejoiner, not an expression of confusion. As usual, explaining a joke destroys it, but since you asked, here goes:

I meant any future, non-teaching games anyone may play @AndrewAAGamer, they cannot make the assumption he won’t make deceptive comments.

When you said “sorry, i dont follow”, i thought you were being silly/snide and pretended to not understand because i assumed my comment was clear to anyone. So i “continued” your joke with my next comment…

Hehe, that’s way beyond my poor capabilities. I’m just a measly bottom-lurker, striding towards the inevitable.

Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 1

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