Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

I’m not sure what you think the consensus move is…lots of opinions here. Perhaps, post what you plan to do? And we can add our $0.02. That said UK1 is always going to be a difficult move because it pretty much starts the Allies on their long term plan.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Combat Move - British
        1 destroyer moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 106 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
        2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Combat Move - British
        1 destroyer moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 106 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
        2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            1 submarine owned by the British Submerged
                1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 submarines
            Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 submarine
                British roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 4 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans, 1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 submarine
        Battle in Iraq
            British attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Iraq, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry retreated to Trans-Jordan
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Neutral_Axis win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
        Battle in 106 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Germans defend with 2 submarines
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
                British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
            British win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines

    Non Combat Move - British

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0,33
British : 1,67
Italians : -0,33
Neutral_Axis : 0,67

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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States

    Combat Move - Americans
        Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttachment attached to Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
        2 aaGuns moved from Western United States to Central United States
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
        1 armour moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
              Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
        1 cruiser moved from 101 Sea Zone to 51 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Central United States to United Kingdom
        1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland

    Place Units - Americans
        2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
        2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
        6 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Yunnan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 10 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 10 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 3/11 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
            Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 8 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan
        2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi

    Place Units - Chinese
        4 infantry placed in Yunnan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 16 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 destroyer moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 106 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
        2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            1 submarine owned by the British Submerged
                1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 2 submarines
            Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 submarine
                British roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 4 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans, 1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 submarine
        Battle in Iraq
            British attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Iraq, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry retreated to Trans-Jordan
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Neutral_Axis win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
        Battle in 106 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Germans defend with 2 submarines
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
                British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
            British win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 armour and 2 artilleries moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
        1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Yunnan
        1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
              British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from India to Burma
        1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Scotland
        1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to Scotland
        1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to Scotland
        1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to Eire
              British take Eire from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 111 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 106 Sea Zone to Iceland
        1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia

    Place Units - British
        1 factory_minor placed in Egypt
        1 submarine placed in 109 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0,33
British : 1,67
Italians : -0,33
Chinese : 0,83
Neutral_Axis : 0,67
Japanese : 1,33

Savegame

Dice wise that went as well as it probably could in that the Iraq strafe worked perfectly. I do think the 92 setup would have paid off more and moving the 111 fleet to iceland with a fighter in support. 109 is a better position for them generally, but they can’t do much next turn from there since there is no US fleet they can join and they can’t join with the UK med fleet. And Italy has too free a hand in the med. But I’m probably a broken record on that.

This was the most conservative Allied opening that I have seen in a long time. It seems like the 50 point bid did very little to swing the game in any theater. Italy can capture Gibraltar this round and hold that plus the Med for 3 or 4 turns with a bit of German support. They will have quite a nice economy for a game where they should have been demolished with so much Atlantic bid.

@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

Well, don’t be too disappointed. I suck as Allies.

Its early and none of these issues are necessarily critical. Allies are the hardest to play and you are getting bombarded by people with different playing styles (which may confuse as much as it may be interesting). So I wouldn’t be hard on yourself.

@trulpen I must say I liked it in the main, apart from I feel the US could have used another TT in the atlantic to retake gib if needed.

London is secure, the fleet in 109 will be protected by a 6 plane scramble, if germany goes for it then all the air needed to take down moscow will be dead. Cairo is reasonably safe, UKPAC risking its air, but the potential for carnage in the japanese air force will probably dissuade the yunnan attack for a round or two.

I feel its better to be conservative with the UK for the first few rounds at least…so much to protect and so little to do it with…curse Chamberlain and his appeasement!!