Subs sneak attack

@Panther
Thank you also for the quick helpful reply. It’s great to have a forum like this for the game, thanks again!!

Just my humble opinion, but seems that the AA50 treatment of subs generates a good chunk of inquiry…

so why not make a sticky thread for all sub rules questions and answers?

Not the tactical kind of question (what do you do with the sub at sz4) or asthetic (don’t the German subs look much sexier than the Russian) but cut-n-dry clarification stuff.

Heck, call it the Sub Pen or something if it “floats your boat” (every pun intended).

Yea so if you catch an AC out at sea with out a DD you may get the ftrs too if they can’t land within 1 space.

@Krieghund:

… Only one cruiser hits, but all three defending destroyers hit…

I hate when that happens, but it’s part of the game.  :|

Sucks to be you then  :-(

@Krieghund:

Enemy subs can be attacked or ignored at will by the acting player.  The only effects that a destroyer has are to suppress subs special abilities and to allow air units to hit them.

‘sub’ stall is not a term we’ll be using in this game.

The only way to force combat or make a fleet stay is to drop a surface vessel.  Most likely a DD.

thanks!

I think subs are underestimated…
I like them a lot more than the Cruiser for instance. The extra cost of 6 IPC’s doesn’t make up for the shore bombardment and extra punch.
Now, let’s take a look at their advantages:
-subs are CHEAP! 6 IPC’s for a naval hit is dirt cheap!
-subs are invulnerable to lone enemy aircraft => this allows them to swim around Europe/Pacific avoiding those German/Japanese ftrs.
-subs can’t attack airplanes, and apart from DD’s, other sea units are more expensive than airplanes. As a result, if a fleet has got only 1 DD, it won’t stand a sub attack, because the expensive carriers, cruisers, and battleships will be the first to get hit. This is often underestimated!
-subs have a greater mobility than other fleet units because they can’t be attacked without an enemy DD.

disadvantages:
-1 defense is little, even for 6 IPC’s. Don’t count on subs to stand tall against an organized attack.
-subs can’t hit air, but air with DD can hit subs
-subs don’t like a lot of DD’s (a single DD is seldom a problem)

To summarize: I like subs a lot the way they are implemented now. And I think Germany building a sole sub fleet is a viable strategy. If you just don’t let the British navy too close, the subs+air will keep the baltic.

You either submerge or fight - not both.  If you take your surprise strike, you have to suffer the return fire (unless of course your attacker is a single ship that’s neither a sub nor a battleship and you hit it).

US player is more potent in 42 than revised. no issue. IN 41 its much worse provided japan cleans the board well enough.