Pro Allied Neutrals

Yes to all your questions.
When Germany activates Finland (3 icps), Hungary (3 icps), Bulgaria (4 icps) and Romania (6 icps) Germany adds these amounts (16 icps) to there income total. Also each one of these pro-axis neutrals collects the same amount for there own income.
The pro-axis minors can buy each turn and place in there territories only. Finland only in Capital.
I actually had different colors for all pro neutrals in game. With Pro-axis neutrals for thee above 4 with different color armies you can see what the Germans are buying and not getting confused if you make them all German looking pieces. Keeps the buyer honest or others can see the buy.

The buy most times in game per turn is Finland 1 Inf, Hungary 1 Inf, Bulgaria 1 Art, and Romania 1 Tank or sometimes 2 Inf.

Germany also likes to buy a Major factory in Romania to get a bunch of Inf for fodder quicker to the front or Mechs, Art for blitzing or a stack of tanks to run down to Leningrad or push into Stalingrad or a naval base in Romania and if Russia income allows them to go to war against Germany turn 4.

@Jinx1527:

Me and my play group have also done away with that rule a half dozen games ago, and found it was a great improvement.

Thanks Jinx, exactly what I was wondering. No ballace issues with a freelance Cominturn? Besides 2 different alliances possibly elliminating one together and turning on each other after.

We agree with you 100% Whitshadw!
Some of our early games had the crashing of last minute navies etc. for VC. But we value a cleaner, realistic victory and would play till 1960’s on the game calander again, to get one. Benefits of a covered playsurface allowing months of real time to complete a game. VC are only used if a restart is wanted or we declare a clear winner and figure out bragging rights.

Well then house rule were minors can attack back without being at war with Russia only if being attacked by Allies.
IMO those 2 countries should be attacked right away so UK can’t attack from them.
You could also make it with no house rule and Ger,Itl are at fault for not taking them.

All are games have it where Ger takes Yugo, and Ger or Italy take Greece.

I do agree with ya on where the rule needs to be changed for Axis minors.

Russia is an ally after they are at war with the Axis. Lets just say they cannot activate any pro allied countries until they are at war with the axis.  This would be like italy being neutral until they are brought into the war.

@Gargantua:

@Tigerman77:

Have you played and got Japans income over $100?  In our games and most games I’ve heard about the Allies win or are in a position to win around turn 12-13.

On average, America can’t declare war until the end of it’s round 4, and can do nothing, until round 5.

USA - R1  = 13 (average roll) + 5 for fall of france = 18
USA - R2 = 13 (average roll) + 30 for Japanese attack on DEI/UK  = 61
USA - R3 = 13 (average roll) = 74
USA - R4 = 13 (average roll) = Over 80, Declares war on Japan
USA - R5 = Usa can actually attack Japan.

So, Japan has from J1 to J5 to get to 100 IPCs.

Starts at 41 IPCs  +

+5 for DEI
+5 for Singapore
+5 for Calcutta OR Sydney  (you will probably lose 1 by J5)
+3 Siam
+2 Singapore
+3 Saigon
+1 French Indo China
+2 Hong-Kong
+8 (on average) From Chinese Territories, could be more if China is defeated
+16 from Dutch east indies territories
+1 from Rabul
+1 from New Guinea
+1 from Brunei
+3 from either Calcutta or Sydney
+1 from Bangeledesh or Queensland
+2 from Phillipines (Might as well attack this on J5)

=100 IPC’s

That’s without an excursion into Russia, which is common, usually results in +5 or +6.

Japan gets to 90-100+ every game without having to put in too much effort, and before the USA can attack it.

I would love for you to post a turn by turn break down of a game you play. You seem to have very different experience than other people. I am of course not saying you are doing anything wrong. I’m just thinking a turn by turn break down might either A) point out things other people aren’t trying and bring your issues to light for everyone else or B) find mistakes you are making so they can be corrected to make for a better playing experience for yourself and everyone else.

This looks like the lead up to an allied win. The axis is being bottled up and the US isn’t even in the game yet. If the allies maintain the pressure and delays, it will go their way. Russia should be getting help now.

The color choices were poor in my opinon. The green for pro allied neutrals is distracting and loud compared to its grey and white neutral counterparts.

If ever a new edition of this map is made I would much rather the neutrals be similar colors, and beneath the territory name it indicate their leaning, and perhaps some minor rules there too.

For instance
Brazil might say

Brazil (Neutral)
(Pro-Allies after US is at war)

While Mongolia might say
Mongolia (Neutral)
(Pro-Soviet if Japan Attacks USSR)

Yep, you should be able to knock out both their big fleets (plus the Canadian ships) G1 setting them back for quite awhile. With a couple subs here and there and the Luftwaffe you can keep them from building ships around England for a couple turns and they are forced to build a starter fleet off Canada. Even building off Canada isn’t to easy early on if the wolf pack is in tact because of the 1:1 detection ratio, and there is no airbase to scramble in Canada when they see your subs. It forces them to spend $ on ships, and less on resources elsewhere.