I found the thread but it didn’t include a human readable description of what happened on R1.
I don’t get the comment about the 50-50 battle for West Russia? If everything is poured in, you have 12 inf 3 art 4 arm. Germany can’t dream of countering that.
Actually, Germany can. Russia usually loses two infantry in the W. Russia attack, so it only has 10 inf, 3 art, and 4 arm in defense. On G1, Germany can counterattack with 6 inf, 1 art, 4 arm, 6 fight, and 1 bomb. Germany has roughly an 80% chance of winning if they go all out and a 45% chance of winning if they attack until only air units are left.
Download TripleA and install. Start a game so the savegames folder is in the TripleA folder of your downloads. You can then download the save game and load into TripleA and look at the history of the moves. I might have hit Baltic and gotten less than optimal (don’t we all) rolls in West Russia. Either way, if you don’t hit Ukraine, then those infantry and any tanks within range can also hit West Russia. It would have helped if one of the two AA had hit however, I seem to only roll 1’s when I am doing a bombing raid on an industrial complex… ;)
@Herr:
I found the thread but it didn’t include a human readable description of what happened on R1.
I don’t get the comment about the 50-50 battle for West Russia? If everything is poured in, you have 12 inf 3 art 4 arm. Germany can’t dream of countering that.
Actually, Germany can. Russia usually loses two infantry in the W. Russia attack, so it only has 10 inf, 3 art, and 4 arm in defense. On G1, Germany can counterattack with 6 inf, 1 art, 4 arm, 6 fight, and 1 bomb. Germany has roughly an 80% chance of winning if they go all out and a 45% chance of winning if they attack until only air units are left.
I guess but one AAA drops the odds to 62% for Germany. The second one doesn’t fit with the calculator but probably the suggestion of 50-50 is about right.
This is a bit academic though if you accept the wisdom of my attack on Belorussia.
@craykirk:
Download TripleA and install.
I normally use Linux but I’ve got it now.
I notice that only 8 inf and 2 art are in WRus. Baltic States has been attacked which does weaken West Russia. Somehow the second russian fighter has been downed. A pretty nightmare start for the Soviets.
I sent the other fighter to Egypt as protection. I did hit Baltic as well hoping to eliminate a tank and slow the march to Karelia. Never seen it or ever considered doing it however it makes sense to do it considering how the odds get worse as Russia can continue to reinforce and threaten Germany. Add fighters from Brit/USA and it almost becomes imperative. I haven’t really found a good way to counter unless Ukraine is hit. Allowing Germany to stack West Russia pretty much ensures a quick game.
My humble opinion is Axis might have a slight advantage, but overall the game is pretty balanced. Adding 1 infantry to Russia might be enough, and a Russia bomber addition is a good one and adds lot of variety to R1 opening move.
I’ve tried out a few strategies as allies and I’ve found a few that are hard to win without :
Us starting fleet needs to take out the money islands of Philippines, East Indies and Borneo. Must hold west Russia.
I also move the Kazakhstan troop to Szechwan to deter the attack on the fighter r1 and build a ic on sinkiang, move five Russians to Yakutsk r1 and pass us fighters there. Build a us carrier in the Atlantic and stage UK fighters to it. This helps to building a north sea fleet. The UK can’t do it very quickly.
Maybe a UK complex on Egypt but only if you can hold it. It will also suck up a lot of UK production.
Executed well, I’m no longer convinced that the axis have the advantage.
I always try to get 7inf and two tanks and ftr on karelia and Caucasus r1.
But Germany can get in 7 inf 3 arm, planes and more including an amphibious assault to Karelia.
U.K.first move is usually to take Borneo and New guinea on uk1. Having bought three tanks and a bomber saving one ipc. I buy three tanks every round until Japan wins our gives up. A bomber a turn from U.K.and U.S.each turn will quickly turn Germany’s income into 20 less! Giving Russia time to hold on and press back even on both fronts!
Do you mean here to support the assault with a fighter off the carrier? Otherwise it has a 30% or so chance of failure. It means foregoing attacking the SZ37 fleet.
1. In all my playing, it is never wise for Germany to get involved in a land war in Asia too soon! As soon as you start trading pieces with Russia and are bombed by the allies, you’ll see your IPC advantage disappear. Also, Russia is buying mainly Inf while Germany is buying (or has to lose) tons of higher value pieces after their Inf is quickly wasted on the Russian front. Attacking Karelia is safer than Caucausus, but still won’t win for Germany in the end. Attacking Caucausus too soon is bad for the same reasons, and worse because you are one more space further from resupply, the Russians will take it back.
2. have to use the fighter to make sure it happens, two Inf, cruiser bomb., should be able to defeat 1 Inf. If you take these two, you take away 5 IPC from Japan to start with, this also places your navy in the south away from the main land. Japan either takes the bait, or loses 5 IPC until they can take back those islands. if they ignore the UK fleet, then you will have a stronger fleet for US to join with and hopefully keep and hold the money islands and allow US to build a factory on them, if needed. sz37 doesn’t appeal to me, if you win, you won’t have much left, and once your fleet is gone you can’t use it to threaten Japan. worse you will lose everything and still have no land to show for it.
I don’t know what you mean about it being unwise for Germany to get involved in km karelia. I’m sure it is imprudent not to.
Wouldn’t Japan just take down the British ships which are in range if you don’t do sz37?
Hello guys, I’ve been reading topics on this forum for some time now and love the different inputs on different strategies. I’ve been playing maybe 10-15 games in total against a more experienced friend and I just can’t seem to win, even playing axis without allied bid which really frustrates me. So now I thought it was time to do something about it and decided to get involved in your discussions! Please go easy on me ^^
I, much like some of you, am not a fan of the SZ37 attack with UK fleet against the Japanese fleet and I’m looking for alternatives. Going after the Japanese transport with a cruiser and fighter or retreating the whole fleet looks interesting. I see you guys mentioning “joining up in south Atlantic” or a “UK med focus”, but how do you execute them? I can’t see how the fleet would be attacking Germany by round 3/4 without passing right through a German battleship and the Luftwaffe. Wouldn’t they just get destroyed immediately? And going all the way around South Africa looks slow as a first impression. And how do you handle Japan with a battleship and fully loaded carrier intact? How much should navy should USA build in the pacific in a strategy like this that I assume is more KGF oriented, also assuming that Japan did PH.
I have a lot of questions, but i hope you can take some time to answer them. I want to get back at my friend and win my first game!!! :evil:
wrt SZ37 it seems to be a bit of an all or nothing roll of the dice. If you win the battle, you should win the war - the US and UK can then take down the islands. I guess if you don’t do it the british fleet off india can go after the german med BB which certainly helps.
Seems to be a bit of miscalculation in setting up the game. There shouldn’t be these kinds of moves on the first turn. It’s not much of a game if the attack is made.
Welcome to the forum :-D I added some of my thought but keep in mind those are not bullet-proof strategies and needs to re-evaluate and adapt based on situations.
Hello guys, I’ve been reading topics on this forum for some time now and love the different inputs on different strategies. I’ve been playing maybe 10-15 games in total against a more experienced friend and I just can’t seem to win, even playing axis without allied bid which really frustrates me. So now I thought it was time to do something about it and decided to get involved in your discussions! Please go easy on me ^^
I, much like some of you, am not a fan of the SZ37 attack with UK fleet against the Japanese fleet and I’m looking for alternatives. Going after the Japanese transport with a cruiser and fighter or retreating the whole fleet looks interesting. I see you guys mentioning “joining up in south Atlantic” or a “UK med focus”, but how do you execute them? I can’t see how the fleet would be attacking Germany by round 3/4 without passing right through a German battleship and the Luftwaffe. Wouldn’t they just get destroyed immediately?
If Germany is not well prepared having the UK navy walked through the med is great and it creates a lot of threat to Germany, but keep in mind this works only when Germany is not paying enough attention ….
And going all the way around South Africa looks slow as a first impression.
This is possibly more likely to happen. It’s actually not as slow as you might think of. By round 4, when executing well, all UK and US Navy will regroup and get ready for counterattackAnd how do you handle Japan with a battleship and fully loaded carrier intact?
One way that works for me is let the UK Navy escape in such a way that would cause Japan cost if they choose to attack. In this case, if you move the Navy towards Africa Japan would only have 2 fighters to catch you so even though they have upper hand their winning percentage is not that great. Axis is actually hard to play some time, IMHO, because they cannot afford losing too much initial capitals due to weaker economy and Allies can take advantage of thisHow much should navy should USA build in the pacific in a strategy like this that I assume is more KGF oriented, also assuming that Japan did PH.
My humble thought is both KGF and KJF are viable option in 42 2E, and full Pacific, full Atlantic, or mix would all work but that really depends on situation. I personally like 80/20 combinationI have a lot of questions, but i hope you can take some time to answer them. I want to get back at my friend and win my first game!!! :evil:
I don’t know what you mean about it being unwise for Germany to get involved in km karelia. I’m sure it is imprudent not to.
Wouldn’t Japan just take down the British ships which are in range if you don’t do sz37?
obviously at some point you have to take Russian territory to win, but starting too soon and trading back and forth will be the death of Germany, I’ve even seen them march to moscow just to be beaten back, and if you fail, by the time you recoup the allies have you beat in the west.
just can’t do it too soon, and when i play, japan usually has tanks sitting outside moscow when they fall
I, much like some of you, am not a fan of the SZ37 attack with UK fleet against the Japanese fleet and I’m looking for alternatives. Going after the Japanese transport with a cruiser and fighter or retreating the whole fleet looks interesting. I see you guys mentioning “joining up in south Atlantic” or a “UK med focus”, but how do you execute them? I can’t see how the fleet would be attacking Germany by round 3/4 without passing right through a German battleship and the Luftwaffe. Wouldn’t they just get destroyed immediately? And going all the way around South Africa looks slow as a first impression. And how do you handle Japan with a battleship and fully loaded carrier intact? How much should navy should USA build in the pacific in a strategy like this that I assume is more KGF oriented, also assuming that Japan did PH.
taking the navy around the horn of south africa is good, but you’d have to split the pacific navy, those off india going to south africa and up and around, and those at austrailia going north east. it isn’t a bad move. I agree with what innohub said, it isn’t so slow that it loses the game for you.
i just personally like taking the islands and forcing Japans hand at either using their navy to take them back or ignoring the fleet and leaving it to link up with the US fleet in the south pacific. the goal is to divide and conquer. which is why the map is harder as axis in my mind. the extra territories on the french coast make it harder for fortress europe, so take advantage of that fact. same with asia, more territories make it harder to control for japan.
luckily the US doesn’t have much to start with in asia, the units are split up and the IPCs are lower, making it pointless to build an IC in china for the US.
like everyone says, situations change, but i’d recommend you start playing by yourself and trying the moves out. first turns are very important in these games, once those are over, then strategies appear and are either defeated or come to fruition in turn 4 or 5.
in short, here are my country strategies
ussr: survive!
germany: turtle, and start moving stacks of inf towards moscow, slowing, but surely, all the while building up fortress europe
uk: bomb bomb bomb, send fighters to ussr, and try to get a foothold on the continent
japan: pressure russia so that the germans can walk in, keep the US at bay by playing games. take india as soon as you can! first turn if the UK isn’t playing well
us: play the chess game in the pacific, make japan work hard and keep the navy away from the coast so that it can’t help india assault, oh and BOMB BOMB BOMB germany into oblivion (this is a must, you can afford the losses, but ussr MUST have a weaker germany to survive)
happy playing! hope you win!
I’ve played quite a number of games of this one as allies against the hard AI on tripleA. I’ve found a couple of things:
My conclusion is that SZ37 is pretty much required.
Have you tried against a real, breathing opponent? I tend to find the artificial intelligence is, shall we say, not so terribly intelligent.
SZ37 is good move in terms of making a dent in Japans navy and it is a huge loss for them. However its only really worth anything if Japan needs to replace the units, meaning unless you are going KJF its a completely pointless move. And it is a really, really boring move as it losses the game for the allies if it fails…
You cant really base your opinion based on Hard AI on triple A as its not really any good. The Hard AI Japan for instance tends to buy 10+ transports and do all types of unfocused ADHD moves all around the pacific without any clear objective, they take mexico, they take alaska etc…
Have you tried against a real, breathing opponent? I tend to find the artificial intelligence is, shall we say, not so terribly intelligent.
Yes, a few times. Two opponents so not a huge sample. Without SZ37 I always found the IJN dominant and hard to dislodge.
Have you tried against a real, breathing opponent? I tend to find the artificial intelligence is, shall we say, not so terribly intelligent.
Yes, a few times. Two opponents so not a huge sample. Without SZ37 I always found the IJN dominant and hard to dislodge.
I’ve played a couple live opponents in person, too, as well as the AI. Always found that the Axis wins, wins, wins. Let me know if you ever want to take a whirl playing each other on AAA. I’ve never tried AAA with a live opponent before.
sz37 is good move, in my opinion, although it is not necessary and could be risky.
Allies need some patience and wait for right moment to strike back…
