G40 Redesign (currently taking suggestions)

Gonna hold off on the NO but gonna add another tech. Alberta +2 inf and Ontario a Tac.
Prairie Boys ain’t sitting this one out : )

Should it be called “Mobilize Canada” or “Canadian Mobilization” ?

Personally I like them both. Also UK might need to get a couple dudes in London. Yea they do maybe idk : )

@barney:

So question is, what National Objectives should Canada have ?

Perhaps something to do with national prestige, possibly tied to securing the Allied convoy routes in the Atlantic.  At the beginning of WWII, the Royal Canadian Navy was tiny and was considered by Britain to be more or less just an extension of the Royal Navy.  By the end of WWII, the RCN had grown enormously (mainly in terms of escort vessels) and was playing a major role in the Battle of the Atlantic.  So perhaps Canada could have the goal of controling certain sea zones in the Atlantic, and could gain national prestige (and maybe some extra cash) from doing so.

Good Idea CWO I like it. When the “Convoy” tech is on it adds a pile of convoy and blockade zones. Those are important to control anyway but giving Canada a 2 PU boost for doing so sounds good.

Here’s the Canada Boost. : ) Obviously you can always boost more or less with edit.

“Canada Boost” which gives BC a extra 1 PU and Yukon, New Foundland each get 1 PU as well.

“Canada Unit Boost” Gives 2 infantry to Alberta and a Tac Bomber to Ontario.

This is a Objective. “Get 2 PUs if the Allies control 123 and 117 Sea Zones”.

Haven’t played a lot with Canada. UK might need a couple extra dudes at start. Idk. They lose the Canada dough so …

Will upload to triplea soon.

Anyway just another option : )

Updated to triplea. Canada is full go now. Will start adding the rest of the BM house rules

hmm…:)

This is on the subject of map modifications but I wonder if the designers intentionally gave the Kra Isthmus to Shan State to allow a connection to Malaya and cut off Siam to make a Japanese invasion a little more laborious? A land connection would allow an easy dumpoff of air units to Siam for a J2 attack without needing an amphibious assault. I’d be curious to see how this would play out in addition to a decent French presence (2 inf) in FIC to prevent the Japanese from walking in.

yea Idk how to do map graphics. I’ll look into seeing if it can have some sorta icon show up to represent the connection. Not sure if one can trigger a TT connection or not though.

Actually triggering a canal might work. Not sure if you can do that either though.

Yea i bid a couple French guys one time. They got slayed but was one more thing Japan had to deal with.

@barney:

Here’s the Canada Boost. : ) Obviously you can always boost more or less with edit.

“Canada Boost” which gives BC a extra 1 PU and Yukon, New Foundland each get 1 PU as well.

“Canada Unit Boost” Gives 2 infantry to Alberta and a Tac Bomber to Ontario.

This is a Objective. “Get 2 PUs if the Allies control 123 and 117 Sea Zones”.

Haven’t played a lot with Canada. UK might need a couple extra dudes at start. Idk. They lose the Canada dough so …

Will upload to triplea soon.

Anyway just another option : )

From historical POV, Ontario was more industrialized than Quebec and other TTs, it should deserve 1 PU. Also, I believe the main training ground for pilots was in AlSaMa rather Ontario, so I would place TcB in this TT instead (but this is a secondary issue). Maybe CWO might chimed in on these two…

Right on. I’ll move the tac to the prairies. Think I’ll hold off on giving an extra buck to Toronto for now. Probably will be just fine to do though. Gave The Yukon a buck in case Japan takes AK. A minor bonus if the Allies are screwing up. Also they built the ALCAN and shuttled Lend Lease planes through there.

Gonna give UK two inf as well. Pretty sure there were some Canadians over there in 1940. I think that’s when Dieppe went down. I’m gonna start a play test in a couple hours for the next update. The split income probably makes UK pretty susceptible to sea lion.

Just have to playtest stuff out to find a semblance of balance. For now it’s just cool having Canada in there. The map looks sweet : ) Thanks again simon.

We talked about Canada as minor power around these pages:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36518.msg1646373#msg1646373

Around the time of Sea Lion, I read on web there was two fully equipped Canadian Infantry Divisions defending London against a German Invasion.

Triplea update. Added BM Vichy Rules and Marines and a couple other things. Separated Russia’s +3 NO for no Allies in original Russian Territory from the “Russian National Objectives” tech.

Also added a +1 PU boost every time you conquer a Mediterranean Island in “PacificIslandAndPU_Change”.

Fixed a couple things and some minor changes.

Will add the rest of the BM rules next.

@General Veers

Yea you can’t trigger Territory connections, so it would have to be a separate xml/mod. i don’t know how to do the graphics but I’ll try and get a xml for you to try before too long

The wizard of the code is striking again!
Thanks for your dedication Barney.
I hope some people will like to spice up their game with a few touches of your long hours of work.
+10 ;)

This is a unit profiles first draft for G40 Redesign, I will try to test on my boardgame.
(The finished results is posted below.)

The Depth Charge sequence for Destroyer is inspired by YG’s 3G40 project.
This allows to not block Sub’s submerge (which is realistic from a ship-to-ship POV).
I also used SS long time play-tested HR, Destroyer blocking Sub’s Surprise strike on a 1:1 basis.

These two abilities seem better at depicting Sub warfare with not so complex mechanic.

Keeping 2 basic units of G40 Redesign cost structure:
DD A1 D1 C5 (0.96),
SS A2 D1 C6 (1.33, 0.67)
But all other units are adjusted to keep
Cruiser A3 D3 C8 (1.13) and
Battleship A4 D4 C15 (1.12) better in combat compared to Destroyer (0.96) but both even combat ratio based on same IPC basis (1.12).

Carrier A0 D2 (0.87) still carry only 2 aircraft and is stronger than OOB Carrier (0.49) on same IPCs basis, but weaker in absolute combat values.
However, both aircraft have special abilities which can compensate and also because of cheaper Full Carrier compared to OOB units.

TcB A3 D2 C8 (1.13, 0.75) now gets targeting capacity on Sea and Land units, which includes submerged Subs.
Fg A2 D2 C7 (0.98) directly fire at aircraft first, as usual for my HR. But treated as OOB when there is no enemy’s aircraft.
StB cannot be part of regular combat, but get A1 in SBR dogfight.

This units profile allows a full spectrum of combat values for Naval combat:
DD A1 D1, Sub A2 D1, Fg A2 D2, TcB A3 D2, Cruiser A3 D3, BB A4 D4

Now, Cruiser is taking the middle place of Destroyer in OOB roster
Of course, setup will need adjustments because of cheaper aircraft and Carrier.
Also, cheaper boats will increase the pressure on Axis much earlier in game.
However, Subs are still potent offensive units with pretty good elusive capacity.

Destroyer (0.96) (Depth Charge: 1.92 max)
Attack 1
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 5
1 hit
Block Submarine’s First strike on a 1:1 basis
Cannot block submerge but can Depth charge submerging Sub:
Depth charge against submerged Subs, after Submerge or First Strike phase and prior to regular combat:
1 roll @2, only for on going combat round, up to 1 roll per submerged Submarine max.
Destroyer doing Depth charge can still roll in regular combat.
1D in Convoy SZ

Submarine (1.33, 0.67 / FS 2.00, 0.89)
Attack 2
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 6
1 hit
Stealth Move: Submarine CM or NCM is not block by Destroyer and
in Combat Move, only Subs attacking do not allow scramble from adjacent Air Base
Submerge or First strike prior to General Combat phase,
First strike: Destroyer blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis
Submerge: Destroyer does not block submerge but can Depth charge
Cannot hit Submarines nor aircraft.
2D in Convoy SZ.

Transport (variant M3-4) (0.00)
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 2-3
Cost 7
0 hit
taken as last casualty,
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground

Transport (reg combat variant) (0.38)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground

Cruiser (1.13)
Attack 3
Defense 3
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Variant: M3-4, Cost 9, 1 hit, (0.89)
Shore bombardment @3
1D in Convoy SZ

Fleet Carrier (0.00, 0.87)
Attack 0
Defense 2
Move 2-3
Cost 12
2 hits
Carry 2 planes (Fg or TcB):
2 Fgs (0.72, 0.94),
1 Fg & 1 TcB (0.77, 0.87),
2 TcBs (0.83, 0.79)
Air operation allowed for 1 plane, if damaged.

Battleship (1.12)
Attack 4
Defense 4
Move 2-3
Cost 15
2 hits
Shorebombard @4
1D in Convoy SZ

Fighter (0.98)
Attack 2
Defense 2
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB as escort for bombers)
Cost 7
1 hit
Hit aircraft first, then AAA, then owner’s selecting his own casualties as usual.
SBR A2 D2,
1D in Convoy SZ.
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs.
Can air retreat 1 adjacent TTy after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Tactical Bomber (1.13, 0.75)
Attack 3
Defense 2
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB for TBR only)
Cost 8
1 hit
Can target any land or naval enemy’s unit (excludes aircraft) if rolling a hit
TBR A1 D1 dmg 1D6 on AB & NB
1D in Convoy SZ
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs
Can target submerged Subs in same combat round that Subs submerged.
Can retreat aircraft 1 adjacent TTy, after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Strategic Bomber (0.00/ SBR: 0.96)
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 6-8 (M8 from AB for SBR only)
Cost 5
0 hit in regular combat,
SBR 1 hit, A1 D0, dmg 1D6

Air Base
Cost 12
Giving +1M, +2M on SBR or TBR only,
Give +1 Defense to 1 Fighter defending AB’s territory.
Allows up to three units to scramble, either Fg or TcB
Do not allow scramble if only Submarines attacking an adjacent SZ.

Anti-Aircraft Artillery (0.00, 3.00)
Attack 0
Defense 2 or 2AA@1
Move 1
Cost 4
1 hit
Instead of regular defense @2, can either roll 2@1 vs up to two aircraft, 1 roll max per aircraft.
This is not preemptive fire: roll in regular combat phase.
Move as any ground unit in CM and NCM.

Here is additional units which are optional and require new sculpts to play with:

Militia
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 2
1 hit

Marines
Attack 1-2
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 3
+1 Attack in amphibious assault,
TP can carry 2 Marines, can load 1 on Battleship

Bunker
Attack 0
Defense 3
Move 0
Cost 5
2 hits
Requires 1 Inf, MI, Art, Elite, Marines or militia to work.
1 such unit must share same TTy to repair damage.

Mobile Artillery
Attack 2
Defense 2-3
Move 2
Cost 5
Can blitz but cannot give blitz to Mech Infantry,
Gives +1A to Inf or MI, paired 1:1
Gets +1D paired 1:1 with Tank

Elite Infantry unit
Attack 2
Defense 2
Move 1-2
Cost 5
Can load 1 on Battleship, or 2 on TP,
Gets +1M paired 1:1 with Tank and blitz with it,
Can load 1 on Air TP during move CM or NCM,

Air Transport
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 5-6
Cost 7
1 hit
Load 1 Elite unit CM or NCM.

Escort Carrier, as a Sub Hunter (0.49)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 7
1 hit
Carry 1 Fg (0.73) or 1 TcB (0.85, 0.64)
Escort Carrier blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis,
Does not block Submerge.

Military Base
Cost 12
Allows to built up to three Infantry and can be built on 0 or 1 IPC TT or Island.
Has 6 damage points, not operational if 3 or more damage.
Built-in AAgun.

@Baron:

This is a unit profiles for G40 Redesign, I will try to test on my boardgame.
Do you think it can be interesting on board map game?

The Depth Charge sequence for Destroyer is inspired by YG’s 3G40 project.
This allows to not block Sub’s submerge (which is realistic from a ship-to-ship POV).
I also used SS long time play-tested HR, Destroyer blocking Sub’s Surprise strike on a 1:1 basis.

These two abilities seem better at depicting Sub warfare with not so complex mechanic.

Keeping 2 basic units of G40 Redesign cost structure:
DD A1 D1 C5 (0.96),
SS A2 D1 C6 (1.33, 0.67)
But all other units are adjusted to keep
Cruiser A3 D3 C8 (1.13) and
Battleship A4 D4 C15 (1.12) better in combat compared to Destroyer (0.96) but both even combat ratio based on same IPC basis (1.12).

Carrier A0 D2 (0.87) still carry only 2 aircraft and is stronger than OOB Carrier (0.49) on same IPCs basis, but weaker in absolute combat values.
However, both aircraft have special abilities which can compensate and also because of cheaper Full Carrier compared to OOB units.

TcB A3 D2 C8 (1.13, 0.75) now gets targeting capacity on Sea and Land units, which includes submerged Subs.
Fg A2 D2 C7 (0.98) directly fire at aircraft first, as usual for my HR. But treated as OOB when there is no enemy’s aircraft.
StB cannot be part of regular combat, but get A1 in SBR dogfight.

This units profile allows a full spectrum of combat values for Naval combat:
DD A1 D1, Sub A2 D1, Fg A2 D2, TcB A3 D2, Cruiser A3 D3, BB A4 D4

Now, Cruiser is taking the middle place of Destroyer in OOB roster
Of course, setup will need adjustments because of cheaper aircraft and Carrier.
Also, cheaper boats will increase the pressure on Axis much earlier in game.
However, Subs are still potent offensive units with pretty good elusive capacity.

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Destroyer (0.96) (Depth Charge: 1.92 max)
Attack 1
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 5
1 hit
Block Submarine’s First strike on a 1:1 basis
Cannot block submerge but can Depth charge submerging Sub:
Depth charge against submerged Subs, after Submerge or First Strike phase and prior to regular combat:
1 roll @2, only for on going combat round, up to 1 roll per submerged Submarine max.
Destroyer doing Depth charge can still roll in regular combat.
1D in Convoy SZ

Submarine (1.33, 0.67 / FS 2.00, 0.89)
Attack 2
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 6
1 hit
Stealth Move: Submarine CM or NCM is not block by Destroyer and
in Combat Move, only Subs attacking do not allow scramble from adjacent Air Base
Submerge or First strike prior to General Combat phase,
First strike: Destroyer blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis
Submerge: Destroyer does not block submerge but can Depth charge
Cannot hit Submarines nor aircraft.
2D in Convoy SZ.

Transport (variant M3-4) (0.00)
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 2-3
Cost 7
0 hit
taken as last casualty,
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground

Transport (reg combat variant) (0.38)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground

Cruiser (1.13)
Attack 3
Defense 3
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Variant: M3-4, Cost 9, 1 hit, (0.89)
Shore bombardment @3
1D in Convoy SZ

Fleet Carrier (0.00, 0.87)
Attack 0
Defense 2
Move 2-3
Cost 12
2 hits
Carry 2 planes (Fg or TcB):
2 Fgs (0.72, 0.94),
1 Fg & 1 TcB (0.77, 0.87),
2 TcBs (0.83, 0.79)
Air operation allowed for 1 plane, if damaged.

Battleship (1.12)
Attack 4
Defense 4
Move 2-3
Cost 15
2 hits
Shorebombard @4
1D in Convoy SZ

Fighter (0.98)
Attack 2
Defense 2
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB as escort for bombers)
Cost 7
1 hit
Hit aircraft first, then AAA, then owner’s selecting his own casualties as usual.
SBR A2 D2,
1D in Convoy SZ.
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs.
Can air retreat 1 adjacent TTy after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Tactical Bomber (1.13, 0.75)
Attack 3
Defense 2
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB for TBR only)
Cost 8
1 hit
Can target any land or naval enemy’s unit (excludes aircraft) if rolling a hit
TBR A1 D1 dmg 1D6 on AB & NB
1D in Convoy SZ
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs
Can target submerged Subs in same combat round that Subs submerged.
Can retreat aircraft 1 adjacent TTy, after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Strategic Bomber (0.00/ SBR: 0.96)
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 6-8 (M8 from AB for SBR only)
Cost 5
0 hit in regular combat,
SBR 1 hit, A1 D0, dmg 1D6

Air Base
Cost 12
Giving +1M, +2M on SBR or TBR only,
Give +1 Defense to 1 Fighter defending AB’s territory.
Allows up to three units to scramble, either Fg or TcB
Do not allow scramble if only Submarines attacking an adjacent SZ.

Anti-Aircraft Artillery (0.00, 3.00)
Attack 0
Defense 2 or 2AA@1
Move 1
Cost 4
1 hit
Instead of regular defense @2, can either roll 2@1 vs up to two aircraft, 1 roll max per aircraft.
This is not preemptive fire: roll in regular combat phase.
Move as any ground unit in CM and NCM.

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Here is additional units which are optional and require new sculpts to play with:

Militia
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 2
1 hit

Marines
Attack 1-2
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 3
+1 Attack in amphibious assault,
TP can carry 2 Marines, can load 1 on Battleship

Bunker
Attack 0
Defense 3
Move 0
Cost 5
2 hits
Requires 1 Inf, MI, Art, Elite, Marines or militia to work.
1 such unit must share same TTy to repair damage.

Mobile Artillery
Attack 2
Defense 2-3
Move 2
Cost 5
Can blitz but cannot give blitz to Mech Infantry,
Gives +1A to Inf or MI, paired 1:1
Gets +1D paired 1:1 with Tank

Elite Infantry unit
Attack 2
Defense 2
Move 1-2
Cost 5
Can load 1 on Battleship, or 2 on TP,
Gets +1M paired 1:1 with Tank and blitz with it,
Can load 1 on Air TP during move CM or NCM,

Air Transport
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 5-6
Cost 7
1 hit
Load 1 Elite unit CM or NCM.

Escort Carrier, as a Sub Hunter (0.49)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 7
1 hit
Carry 1 Fg (0.73) or 1 TcB (0.85, 0.64)
Escort Carrier blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis,
Does not block Submerge.

Military Base
Cost 12
Allows to built up to three Infantry and can be built on 0 or 1 IPC TT or Island.
Has 6 damage points, not operational if 3 or more damage.
Built-in AAgun.

Based on the ENIGMA vann FORMULAS.

Not exactly, I rather say ajusted partially according to Enigma-Vann formulas.
These ones were in the oven at least a year before you came up.
And this units profile contains a lot of units with special abilities which goes beyond pure combat factors.

For instance, StB 5$ not participating in regular combat, Fighter targeting aircraft, TcB picking up casualties, AA rolling each combat round, TcB anti-sub @1 capacity converted into allowing to pick submerged Subs (@1 in Depth charge phase), Subs cannot hit Subs, Marines on board Battleship, Move 3 for Cruiser and TP, etc.

Combat rating is one factor amongst many others here. Redesign is a complex beast flying between tabletop and Triple A software xml coding.

Probably Cruiser daring low cost 8, instead of 9$ M3-4, and Carrier still keeping 2 aircraft  (as OOB) instead of 3 planes (as usual for this configuration) can be relevant to Enigma-Vann formulas.

If you ever want to try TripleA Global40 with different HRs of you choice, Redesign allows such entertainment.

I got time to add more details and much more elements from Triple A Redesign sequence (like targeted First strike: Interdiction Patrol)
:-D

This is a unit profiles for G40 Redesign, I will try to test on my boardgame.
Do you think it can be interesting on board map game?

The Depth Charge sequence for Destroyer is inspired by YG’s 3G40 project.
This allows to not block Sub’s submerge (which is realistic from a ship-to-ship POV).
I also used SS long time play-tested HR, Destroyer blocking Sub’s Surprise strike on a 1:1 basis.

These two abilities seem better at depicting Sub warfare with not so complex mechanic.

The Naval sequence will be:
0- Interdiction Patrol: 1 roll @1 against Sub or surface vessels (up to 1 roll max against each unit) crossing SZ defended by Sub or Destroyer (against Sub only), prior to actual combat.
1- Submerge or Surprise strike
2- Anti-Sub Patrol:  Depth charge against submerged Subs

• Tactical bomber @1 each
• Destroyer @1 @2 each, up to 1 roll max per submerged Submarine
  3- General combat:
• Roll Fighters [and AAA  in land combat, if attacking aircraft present],
• then roll TcBs,
• Subs,
• All other units.
  4- Retreat:
• Surviving Transports escape roll @1 (place in SZ)
• Air retreat, attacker then defender,
• Attacker’s general retreat
  If no general retreat, cycle to phase 1.

Increasing dogfight occurrences:
Up to two aircraft, either Fighter or Tac Bomber, can land in a just conquered territory, if aircraft have 2 move left for NCM after battle.
A land unit must first conquered the territory before allowing any aircraft to land on.

Keeping 2 basic units of G40 Redesign cost structure:
Destroyer A1 D1 C5 (0.96),
Submarine A2 D1 C6 (1.33, 0.67)
But all other units are adjusted according to ENIGMA-Vann formula so to keep
Cruiser A3 D3 C8 (1.13) and
Battleship A4 D4 C15 (1.12), 2 hits, better in combat compared to Destroyer (0.96) but both even combat ratio based on same IPC basis (1.12).

Fleet Carrier A0 D2 C12 (0.87), 2 hits, still carry only 2 aircraft and is stronger than OOB Carrier (0.49) on same IPCs basis, but weaker in absolute combat values.
Still, Full Carrier with 2 Fgs A2 D2 for A4 D7 C26 (0.72, 1.11) has a stronger combat factor than
OOB Full Carrier A6 D10 C36 (0.53, 0.88).
Full Carrier 1 TcB & 1 Fg A5 D7 C27 (0.77, 1.03) is stronger than
OOB Full Carrier 1 TcB & 1 Fg  A7 D9 C37 (0.48, 0.75)
Also, both aircraft types have special abilities which can compensate and also because of cheaper Full Carrier compared to OOB units.

Tactical Bomber A3 D2 C8 (1.13, 0.75) now gets targeting capacity on Sea and Land units, and also get Depth charge @1 against submerged Subs.
Fighter A2 D2 C7 (0.98) directly fire at aircraft first, as usual for my HR. But treated as OOB when there is no enemy’s aircraft.
Strategic Bombers cannot be part of regular combat, but get A1 in SBR dogfight.

This units profile allows a full spectrum of combat values for Naval combat:
Carrier A0 D2 C12, DD A1 D1 C5, Sub A2 D1 C6, Fg A2 D2 C7, TcB A3 D2 C8, Cruiser A3 D3 C8, BB A4 D4 C15

Now, Cruiser at 8 IPCs is taking the middle place of Destroyer in OOB roster
Of course, setup will need adjustments because of cheaper aircraft and Carrier.
Rating is 2 OOB Full Carrier A12 D20 C72 –-> 3 Full Carrier A12 D21 C78
2 OOB Fighter A3 D4 C10 (A6 D8 C20) —> 3 Fighter A2 D2 C7 (A6 D6 C21)
2 Tactical Bomber A3-4 D3 C11 (A6 D6 C22) —> 3 TacB A3 D2 C8 (A9 D6 C24)
2 Strategic bomber A4 D1 C12  —> 3 StB A0 D0 C5 & 1 TcB A3 D2 C8
Also, cheaper boats will increase the pressure on Axis much earlier in game.
However, Subs are still potent offensive units with pretty good elusive capacity.

Destroyer (0.96) (Depth charge on submerged Sub: 1.92 max)
Attack 1
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 5
1 hit
Cannot block Subs CM or NCM,
but each Sub moving through a SZ controlled by Destroyer must submit to 1 @1 anti-sub defense roll per DD, up to 1 roll @1 per Submarine.
Block Submarine’s First strike on a 1:1 basis
Cannot block submerge but can Depth charge submerging Sub:
Depth charge against submerged Subs, after Submerge or First Strike phase and prior to regular combat:
1 roll @1, only for on going combat round, up to 1 roll per submerged Submarine max.
Destroyer doing Depth charge can still roll in regular combat.
1D in Convoy SZ

Submarine (1.33, 0.67 / FS 2.00, 0.89)
Attack 2
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 6
1 hit
Cannot block Subs or surface vessels CM or NCM,
but each Submarine or surface vessel moving through a SZ patrolled by Sub (Sub cannot control SZ) must submit to 1 @1 Sub potshot defense roll per defending Sub, up to 1 roll @1 per Submarine or surface ship moving through SZ, whichever the lower.

Stealth Move: Submarine CM or NCM is not block by Destroyer and
in Combat Move, only Subs attacking do not allow scramble from adjacent Air Base
Submerge or First strike prior to 2- Depth charge and 3- General Combat phase,
First strike: Destroyer blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis
Submerge: Destroyer does not block submerge but can do Depth charge at submerged Sub, up to 1 roll @2 per Sub max.
Cannot hit Submarines nor aircraft.
2D in Convoy SZ.

Transport (0.00)
[variant Move 3-4]
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 2-3
Cost 7
0 hit
Taken as last casualty,
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground

Transport (reg combat variant) (0.38 or less)
[Variant M3: Move 3-4, Cost 8, 1 hit, each TP also gets 1 escape roll @1]
Attack 0
Defense 1* * 1@1 for all friendly TPs group in SZ
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground
Can be taken as casualty according to owner’s choice.

Cruiser (1.13)
[Variant M3: Move 3-4, Cost 9, 1 hit, (0.89)]
Attack 3
Defense 3
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Shore bombardment @3
1D in Convoy SZ

Fleet Carrier (0.00, 0.87)
Attack 0
Defense 2
Move 2-3
Cost 12
2 hits
Carry 2 planes (Fg or TcB):
2 Fgs A4 D7 C26 (0.72, 1.11),
1 Fg & 1 TcB A5 D7 C27 (0.77, 1.03),
2 TcBs A6 D6 C28 (0.83, 0.79)
Air operation allowed for 1 plane, if damaged.
Gives +1 Defense to 1 Fighter defending when paired 1:1 with Carrier (Carrier Air Patrol)

Battleship (1.12)
Attack 4
Defense 4
Move 2-3
Cost 15
2 hits
Shore bombardment @4
1D in Convoy SZ

Fighter (0.98) (SBR: 0.98)
Attack 2
Defense 2-3 (3) when being supported by an AB in invaded TT or a Carrier in embattled SZ, on 1:1 basis
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB as escort for bombers)
Cost 7
1 hit
Hit aircraft first, then AAA, then owner’s selecting his own casualties as usual.
SBR A2 D2,
1D in Convoy SZ.
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs.
Can retreat aircraft 1 adjacent TTy after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Tactical Bomber (1.13, 0.75) (Depth charge: 0.38) (TBR: 0.38)
Attack 3
Defense 2
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB for TBR only)
Cost 8
1 hit
Can pick any land or naval enemy’s unit (excluding aircraft) if rolling a hit
TBR A1 D1, damage 1D6 on AB & NB (avg dmg ratio: 3.5 IPC /8 IPCs= 0.4375 or  2.92 - 8/6 = 1.6 IPCs damage / SBR)
1D in Convoy SZ
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs.
Depth charge against submerged Subs, after Submerge or First Strike phase and prior to regular combat:
1 roll @1, only for on going combat round, no max roll per submerged Submarine (stackable rolls).
Tactical Bombers doing Depth charge can still roll in regular combat.
Can retreat aircraft 1 adjacent TTy, after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Strategic Bomber (0.00/ SBR: 0.96)
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 6-8 (M8 from AB for SBR only)
Cost 5
0 hit in regular combat,
SBR 1 hit, A1 D0, damage 1D6 (avg dmg ratio: 3.5 IPCs /5 IPCs= 0.7 or 2.9 - 5/6 = 2.1 IPCs damage / SBR)
[OOB avg dmg ratio: 5.5 IPCs /12 IPCs =[i] 0.458 or 4.6 - 12/6 = 2.6 IPCs damage / SBR]

OOB G40: 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
5/6 StB survived * 5.5 IPCs = 4.583 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *12 IPCs = -2 IPCs

Sum: 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/StB run

1 StB Cost 5 damage D6 doing SBR without interceptor
5/6 StB survived * 3.5 IPCs = 2.917 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *5 IPCs = -0.833 IPCs

Sum: 2.917 - 0.833 = +2.084 IPCs damage/StB run

1 TcB Cost 8 damage D6 doing TBR without interceptor
5/6 TcB survived * 3.5 IPCs = 2.92 IPCs
1/6 TcB killed *8 IPCs = -1.33 IPCs

Sum: 2.92 - 1.33 = +1.59 IPCs damage/TcB run

Air Base
Cost 12
Giving +1M, +2M on SBR or TBR only,
Gives +1 Defense to 1 Fighter defending either AB’s territory or adjacent SZ & TT.
Allows up to four units to scramble, either Fg or TcB.
Scramble can occur in either an adjacent SZ or an adjacent TT.
Do not allow scramble if only Submarines attacking an adjacent SZ.

Anti-Aircraft Artillery (0.00, 3.00 / AA from 1.50 up to 4.50)
Attack 0
Defense 2 or 3AA@1
Move 1
Cost 4
1 hit
Roll 3@1 vs up to three aircraft, 1 roll max per aircraft or, if no enemy’s aircraft, roll regular defense @2.
This is not preemptive fire: roll in regular combat phase.
Move as any ground unit in CM and NCM.

If AAA against up to 3 aircraft:
1/6 TcB shoot down *8 IPCs = 1.33 IPCs * 3 = 4.00
1/6 Fg shoot down *7 IPCs = 1.17 IPCs * 3 = 3.50
Average:
3.75 IPCs shoot down per combat round if at least 3 attacking aircraft
2.50 IPCs shoot down per combat round if only 2 attacking aircraft
1.25 IPCs shoot down per combat round if only 1 attacking aircraft

If AAA against up to 2 aircraft:
1/6 TcB shoot down *8 IPCs = 1.33 IPCs * 2 = 2.66
1/6 Fg shoot down *7 IPCs = 1.17 IPCs * 2 = 2.34
Average:
2.50 IPCs shoot down per combat round if at least 2 attacking aircraft
1.25 IPCs shoot down per combat round if only 1 attacking aircraft

Here is additional units which are optional and require new sculpts to play with:

Militia (0.00, 6.00)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 2
1 hit

Marines (2.67-5.33, 2.67)
Attack 1-2
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 3
+1 Attack in amphibious assault,
TP can carry 2 Marines, can load 1 on Battleship

Bunker (0.00, 2.88)
Attack 0
Defense 3
Move 0
Cost 5
2 hits
Requires 1 Inf, MI, Art, Elite, Marines or militia to work.
1 such unit must share same TTy to repair damage.

Mobile Artillery (1.92, 1.92-2.38)
Attack 2
Defense 2-3
Move 2
Cost 5
Can blitz but cannot give blitz to Mech Infantry,
Gives +1A to Inf or MI, paired 1:1
Gets +1D paired 1:1 with Tank

Elite Infantry unit (1.92)
Attack 2
Defense 2
Move 1-2
Cost 5
Can load 1 on Battleship, or 2 on TP,
Gets +1M paired 1:1 with Tank and blitz with it,
Can load 1 on Air TP during move CM or NCM,

Air Transport
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 5-6
Cost 7
1 hit
Load 1 Elite unit CM or NCM.

Escort Carrier or Light Carrier, as a Sub Hunter (0.49)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 7
1 hit
Carry 1 Fg (0.49, 0.98) or 1 TcB (0.64, 0.64)
_Gives +1 Defense to 1 Fighter defending when paired 1:1 with Carrier (CAP)
Escort Carrier blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis,
Does not block Submerge.
Cannot block Subs CM or NCM,
but each Sub moving through a SZ controlled by CVE must submit to 1 @1 anti-sub defense roll per Escort Carrier, up to 1 roll @1 per Submarine.

Military Base
Cost 12
Allows to built up to three Infantry and can be built on 0 or 1 IPC TT or Island.
Has 6 damage points, not operational if 3 or more damage.
Built-in AAgun._

@Baron:

I got time to add more details and much more elements from Triple A Redesign sequence (like targeted First strike: Interdiction Patrol)
:-D

This is a unit profiles for G40 Redesign, I will try to test on my boardgame.
Do you think it can be interesting on board map game?

The Depth Charge sequence for Destroyer is inspired by YG’s 3G40 project.
This allows to not block Sub’s submerge (which is realistic from a ship-to-ship POV).
I also used SS long time play-tested HR, Destroyer blocking Sub’s Surprise strike on a 1:1 basis.

These two abilities seem better at depicting Sub warfare with not so complex mechanic.

The Naval sequence will be:
0- Interdiction Patrol: 1 roll @1 against Sub or surface vessels (up to 1 roll max against each unit) crossing SZ defended by Sub or Destroyer (against Sub only), prior to actual combat.
1- Submerge or Surprise strike
2- Anti-Sub Patrol:  Depth charge against submerged Subs
3- General combat:

• Roll Fighters [and AAA, if attacking aircraft present, in land combat],
• then roll TcBs,
• Subs,
• All other units.
  4- Retreat:
  -Air retreat, attacker then defender,
  -Attacker’s general retreat
  If no general retreat, cycle to phase 1.

Keeping 2 basic units of G40 Redesign cost structure:
Destroyer A1 D1 C5 (0.96),
Submarine A2 D1 C6 (1.33, 0.67)
But all other units are adjusted according to ENIGMA-Vann formula so to keep
Cruiser A3 D3 C8 (1.13) and
Battleship A4 D4 C15 (1.12), 2 hits, better in combat compared to Destroyer (0.96) but both even combat ratio based on same IPC basis (1.12).

Fleet Carrier A0 D2 C12 (0.87), 2 hits, still carry only 2 aircraft and is stronger than OOB Carrier (0.49) on same IPCs basis, but weaker in absolute combat values.
Still, Full Carrier with 2 Fgs A2 D2 for A4 D6 C26 (0.72, 0.94) has a stronger combat factor than
OOB Full Carrier A6 D10 C36 (0.53, 0.88).
Full Carrier 1 TcB & 1 Fg A5 D6 C27 (0.77, 0.87) is stronger than
OOB Full Carrier 1 TcB & 1 Fg  A7 D9 C37 (0.48, 0.75)
Also, both aircraft types have special abilities which can compensate and also because of cheaper Full Carrier compared to OOB units.

Tactical Bomber A3 D2 C8 (1.13, 0.75) now gets targeting capacity on Sea and Land units, and also get Depth charge @1 against submerged Subs.
Fighter A2 D2 C7 (0.98) directly fire at aircraft first, as usual for my HR. But treated as OOB when there is no enemy’s aircraft.
Strategic Bombers cannot be part of regular combat, but get A1 in SBR dogfight.

This units profile allows a full spectrum of combat values for Naval combat:
Carrier A0 D2 C12, DD A1 D1 C5, Sub A2 D1 C6, Fg A2 D2 C7, TcB A3 D2 C8, Cruiser A3 D3 C8, BB A4 D4 C15

Now, Cruiser at 8 IPCs is taking the middle place of Destroyer in OOB roster
Of course, setup will need adjustments because of cheaper aircraft and Carrier.
Rating is 2 OOB Full Carrier A12 D20 C72 –-> 3 Full Carrier A12 D18 C78
2 OOB Fighter A3 D4 C10 (A6 D8 C20) —> 3 Fighter A2 D2 C7 (A6 D6 C21)
2 Tactical Bomber A3-4 D3 C11 (A6 D6 C22) —> 3 TacB A3 D2 C8 (A9 D6 C24)
2 Strategic bomber A4 D1 C12  —> 3 StB A0 D0 C5 & 1 TcB A3 D2 C8
Also, cheaper boats will increase the pressure on Axis much earlier in game.
However, Subs are still potent offensive units with pretty good elusive capacity.

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Destroyer (0.96) (Depth charge on submerged Sub: 1.92 max)
Attack 1
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 5
1 hit
Cannot block Subs CM or NCM,
but each Sub moving through a SZ controlled by Destroyer must submit to 1 @1 anti-sub defense roll per DD, up to 1 roll @1 per Submarine.
Block Submarine’s First strike on a 1:1 basis
Cannot block submerge but can Depth charge submerging Sub:
Depth charge against submerged Subs, after Submerge or First Strike phase and prior to regular combat:
1 roll @2, only for on going combat round, up to 1 roll per submerged Submarine max.
Destroyer doing Depth charge can still roll in regular combat.
1D in Convoy SZ

Submarine (1.33, 0.67 / FS 2.00, 0.89)
Attack 2
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 6
1 hit
Cannot block Subs or surface vessels CM or NCM,
but each Submarine or surface vessel moving through a SZ patrolled by Sub (Sub cannot control SZ) must submit to 1 @1 Sub potshot defense roll per defending Sub, up to 1 roll @1 per Submarine or surface ship moving through SZ, whichever the lower.

Stealth Move: Submarine CM or NCM is not block by Destroyer and
in Combat Move, only Subs attacking do not allow scramble from adjacent Air Base
Submerge or First strike prior to 2- Depth charge and 3- General Combat phase,
First strike: Destroyer blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis
Submerge: Destroyer does not block submerge but can do Depth charge at submerged Sub, up to 1 roll @2 per Sub max.
Cannot hit Submarines nor aircraft.
2D in Convoy SZ.

Transport (variant M3-4) (0.00)
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 2-3
Cost 7
0 hit
Taken as last casualty,
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground

Transport (reg combat variant) (0.38)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Carry 1 Inf+1 any ground

Cruiser (1.13)
Attack 3
Defense 3
Move 2-3
Cost 8
1 hit
Variant: M3-4, Cost 9, 1 hit, (0.89)
Shore bombardment @3
1D in Convoy SZ

Fleet Carrier (0.00, 0.87)
Attack 0
Defense 2
Move 2-3
Cost 12
2 hits
Carry 2 planes (Fg or TcB):
2 Fgs (0.72, 0.94),
1 Fg & 1 TcB (0.77, 0.87),
2 TcBs (0.83, 0.79)
Air operation allowed for 1 plane, if damaged.

Battleship (1.12)
Attack 4
Defense 4
Move 2-3
Cost 15
2 hits
Shore bombardment @4
1D in Convoy SZ

Fighter (0.98) (SBR: 0.98)
Attack 2
Defense 2
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB as escort for bombers)
Cost 7
1 hit
Hit aircraft first, then AAA, then owner’s selecting his own casualties as usual.
SBR A2 D2,
1D in Convoy SZ.
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs.
Can retreat aircraft 1 adjacent TTy after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Tactical Bomber (1.13, 0.75) (Depth charge: 0.38) (TBR: 0.38)
Attack 3
Defense 2
Move 4-5 (M6 from AB for TBR only)
Cost 8
1 hit
Can pick any land or naval enemy’s unit (excluding aircraft) if rolling a hit
TBR A1 D1, damage 1D6 on AB & NB (avg dmg ratio: 3.5 IPC /8 IPCs= 0.4375 or  2.92 - 8/6 = 1.6 IPCs damage / SBR)
1D in Convoy SZ
Needs no Destroyer to hit Subs.
Depth charge against submerged Subs, after Submerge or First Strike phase and prior to regular combat:
1 roll @1, only for on going combat round, no max roll per submerged Submarine (stackable rolls).
Tactical Bombers doing Depth charge can still roll in regular combat.
Can retreat aircraft 1 adjacent TTy, after first combat round (announce before attacker’s retreat).

Strategic Bomber (0.00/ SBR: 0.96)
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 6-8 (M8 from AB for SBR only)
Cost 5
0 hit in regular combat,
SBR 1 hit, A1 D0, damage 1D6 (avg dmg ratio: 3.5 IPCs /5 IPCs= 0.7 or 2.9 - 5/6 = 2.1 IPCs damage / SBR)
[OOB avg dmg ratio: 5.5 IPCs /12 IPCs =[i] 0.458 or 4.6 - 12/6 = 2.6 IPCs damage / SBR]

OOB G40: 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
5/6 StB survived * 5.5 IPCs = 4.583 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *12 IPCs = -2 IPCs

Sum: 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/StB run

1 StB Cost 5 damage D6 doing SBR without interceptor
5/6 StB survived * 3.5 IPCs = 2.92 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *5 IPCs = -0.833 IPCs

Sum: 2.92 - 0.833 = +2.083 IPCs damage/StB run

1 TcB Cost 8 damage D6 doing TBR without interceptor
5/6 StB survived * 3.5 IPCs = 2.92 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *8 IPCs = -1.33 IPCs

Sum: 2.92 - 1.33 = +1.59 IPCs damage/TcB run

Air Base
Cost 12
Giving +1M, +2M on SBR or TBR only,
Gives +1 Defense to 1 Fighter defending AB’s territory or nearby SZ.
Allows up to three units to scramble, either Fg or TcB
Scramble can occur in either an adjacent SZ or an adjacent TT.
Do not allow scramble if only Submarines attacking an adjacent SZ.

Anti-Aircraft Artillery (0.00, 3.00 / AA from 1.50 up to 3.00)
Attack 0
Defense 2 or 2AA@1
Move 1
Cost 4
1 hit
Roll 2@1 vs up to two aircraft, 1 roll max per aircraft or, if no enemy’s aircraft, roll regular defense @2.
This is not preemptive fire: roll in regular combat phase.
Move as any ground unit in CM and NCM.

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Here is additional units which are optional and require new sculpts to play with:

Militia (0.00, 6.00)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 2
1 hit

Marines (2.67-5.33, 2.67)
Attack 1-2
Defense 1
Move 1
Cost 3
+1 Attack in amphibious assault,
TP can carry 2 Marines, can load 1 on Battleship

Bunker (0.00, 2.88)
Attack 0
Defense 3
Move 0
Cost 5
2 hits
Requires 1 Inf, MI, Art, Elite, Marines or militia to work.
1 such unit must share same TTy to repair damage.

Mobile Artillery (1.92, 1.92-2.38)
Attack 2
Defense 2-3
Move 2
Cost 5
Can blitz but cannot give blitz to Mech Infantry,
Gives +1A to Inf or MI, paired 1:1
Gets +1D paired 1:1 with Tank

Elite Infantry unit (1.92)
Attack 2
Defense 2
Move 1-2
Cost 5
Can load 1 on Battleship, or 2 on TP,
Gets +1M paired 1:1 with Tank and blitz with it,
Can load 1 on Air TP during move CM or NCM,

Air Transport
Attack 0
Defense 0
Move 5-6
Cost 7
1 hit
Load 1 Elite unit CM or NCM.

Escort Carrier, as a Sub Hunter (0.49)
Attack 0
Defense 1
Move 2-3
Cost 7
1 hit
Carry 1 Fg (0.49, 0.73) or 1 TcB (0.64, 0.64)
Escort Carrier blocks Submarine’s First strike on 1:1 basis,
Does not block Submerge.
Cannot block Subs CM or NCM,
but each Sub moving through a SZ controlled by CVE must submit to 1 @1 anti-sub defense roll per Escort Carrier, up to 1 roll @1 per Submarine.
Military Base
Cost 12
Allows to built up to three Infantry and can be built on 0 or 1 IPC TT or Island.
Has 6 damage points, not operational if 3 or more damage.
Built-in AAgun.

INTERESTING, more power to you guys.

Thanks Dauvio.

I thought about a way to try one’s of Krieghund suggestion about Transport which is probably not difficult to make. It simply requires to create a Transport unit with A0 D0 C8, 1 hit.
Triple A will treat it as a combat unit.
That way, players will decide when they are going to take TP as casualties.
It would be player enforced whether to fully play according to Krieghund rules 1 combat unit cover 1 TP, or to use TP as additional fodder, pure and simple.

For instance, 1 Sub vs 1 DD & 1 TP, 1 hit from Sub.
Krieghund way: DD is taken as casualty, and TP is eventually sink too.
Otherway, TP is taken as casualty and Sub can decide to retreat or continue battle against DD.

That way would be halfway between defenseless and TP as regular combat unit A0 D1 1 hit.
It allows to keep OOB setup without extreme adjustments to TP becoming part of combat.

It makes for a more realistic way of treating TP in combat without giving combat capacities beyond 1 hit value.
TP is neither better on offense nor defense.

Anytime 1 unit can do something to an infinite number of opponent’s unit (DDs vs Subs, 1 DD & infinite aircraft vs Subs, combat units vs TPs), it creates unrealistic loopholes and gamey features.

I quoted 1 post which contains Krieghund replies on that topic.

@Baron:

@Krieghund:

@Baron:

@BJCard:

@Krieghund:

How about this for a house rule idea: leave the transport rules exactly as they are, except transports in excess of combat units can be taken as casualties.  This allows combat units to “screen” transports, but unscreened transports can be lost.

Example:
A fleet containing a carrier, 2 fighters, a destroyer, and 5 transports is attacked.  The first hit could be taken on the carrier, damaging it.  The next hit may be taken on a transport, as there are 5 transports but only 4 combat units.  However, the following hit must be taken on a combat unit, as the number of transports and combat units is now equal.  The remaining order of loss could be destroyer, transport, carrier, transport, fighter, transport, fighter, transport.

I actually like Krieg’s solution a lot.  transports are defended on a 1-1 basis.

I still cannot see why is this a solution?
TT become a 1 unit value @0 like AAA after first round.

They will play a similar role, mostly if defender thinks he couldn’t make it against attacker’s units.

TT becomes cannon fodder or tampering unit for the defensive valuable unit (D2/D3/D4) like what many critics about classic pointed out.

What it does, is only regulate the rate of attrition amongst TT.

Exactly, but at a much weaker value than in Classic.

@KimRYoung:

Transports still get used as a cheap soak off, when in reality attacking units would go for capital ships. Transports should get the hell out of a combat zone ASAP since the only thing they want is to survive!

Yes, but as someone pointed out, A&A is about choices.  This gives the transport owner more control over order of loss, without using transports completely as a shield.  However, it would probably be necessary to also outlaw attacking with transports unless doing an amphibious assault (and them only with loaded ones).

@Cow:

It costs much to protect them, it would reduce the cost a little if they had some defense value.

That is all people are getting at.

I believe that’s exactly what I proposed.  Allowing transports to be conditionally taken as casualties gives them “some defense value” by allowing preservation of some combat unit firepower for a little longer without using them completely as cannon fodder.  This leverages the value of your combat units, allowing you to purchase fewer of them for the same effect.  You still have to protect your transports, but it’s a little easier to do so.  It also preserves the requirement to give transports adequate protection, as they are still completely defenseless on their own.

Another example may illustrate this.  Say you have a fleet consisting of a cruiser and three transports.  Under the official rules, all an attacker need do is sink the cruiser, and the whole fleet goes down.  Under my proposal, two of the transports can be lost before the cruiser.  This gives the defender some cushion, but not nearly as much as it would in Classic, as the transports can’t fire.  This extra bit of defense forces the attacker to bring more to the table than he would need to do under the current rules.  However, the defense is still relatively weak, as the defender only gets one shot per round, so it’s still wise for the defender to provide more warships.

This Krieghund’s house rule change was discreetly suggested but not enough estimated, IMO.
This can provide something to better depicted the usual course of historical naval battle when Subs or Aircraft are attacking TPs and escort. They mainly target Transport and Troopship before escorting vessels.

This rule almost get ride of Transport always Taken last thus improving player’s decision freedom.

• It allows defender to sometime pick Transport as casualty as he sees fit.

• It gives no defense besides escort defense rolls.

Instead of all combat units, what I would use as the bottom line to forbid taking TP as casualty is:
each friendly surface warship can only cover/escort 1 Transport.
The ratio would be 1 friendly surface warship for 1 Transport.
Any excess of TPs above this 1:1 ratio for close surface escort can be destroyed and worth 1 hit for casualty determination.

Defender would be allowed to select TPs as casualty as long as he keeps 1 TP for each friendly surface warship.

That way, TP is treated defenseless but considered as 1 hit value for casualty selection.
IL and CWO Marc will feel it is more typical of transport (cargo and troops) combat effectiveness.

The other point on historical depiction is that TP is reintroduced as a main target for enemy.
This allow defender the choice to pick or not his TPs in naval battle.

Example:
1 Destroyer, 1 Sub and 3 Transports defending in SZ,
Defender may choose up to 2 TPs as casualty before loosing 1 DD or 1 Sub.
After loosing 2 TPs, if DD is picked as casualty over Sub, the last Transport can then be chosen as casualty. Submarine is not a surface vessel.
So, order of loss may be: 2 TPs, 1 DD, 1 TP, 1 Sub.
However, if Sub is chosen earlier like:  1 Sub, 2 TPs, 1 DD, then last TP will be auto-kill.

Now, it reintroduced a better depiction of convoy raiding.
And the final stack is virtually reduced to 1 undefended TP, since defender may wish and is now allowed to alternate between a warship and a TP for final combat rounds.
Example:
3 Destroyers, 6 TPs
Order of losses: 3 TPs, 1 DD, 1 TP, 1 DD, 1 TP, 1 DD, 1 TP.

Don’t you think it better reenact such kind of naval situations where TPs is lost because of an inefficient escort screen?

For my part, I believe that giving more options to defender allows more variability which, in return, might better take into account various WWII combat situations that occurs: from not loosing any TP, or not totally loosing all Escort and saving a few TPs, to barely saving 1 or 2 TPs while loosing all escorting ships.

@KimRYoung:

@Krieghund:

How about this for a house rule idea: leave the transport rules exactly as they are, except transports in excess of combat units can be taken as casualties.  This allows combat units to “screen” transports, but unscreened transports can be lost.

Transports still get used as a cheap soak off, when in reality attacking units would go for capital ships.

Transports should get the hell out of a combat zone ASAP since the only thing they want is to survive!

Kim

IDK, looking into Troopships and shipping Convoys, most of the time it seems these Transports were targeted first.
Sinking war materials and infantryman seems an high priority.
Anyone see why Capital ships were not always targeted first?

I viewed that sometimes it is only a case of opportunity about which ships is closest and biggest.
In this documentary about 1944 Truk Atoll raid, it seems to be mostly IJN auxiliary ships first rather than few Destroyers and one or two Cruisers:
Battle 360 Episode 7 Hammer of Hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V-2zQCbwc0

Naval Battle of Guadalcanal revealed that IJN transports were sunk while some warships (Cruisers and DDs) survived.
Another case in which it makes good sense to allow sinking of Transports and more room for owner decision’s about casualty selection:

In the resulting battle, both sides lost numerous warships in two extremely destructive surface engagements at night. Nevertheless, the U.S. succeeded in turning back attempts by the Japanese to bombard Henderson Field with battleships. Allied aircraft also sank most of the Japanese troop transports and prevented the majority of the Japanese troops and equipment from reaching Guadalcanal.
Japanese initial forces:
2 battleships
6 heavy cruisers
4 light cruisers
16 destroyers
11 transports

Casualties and losses
First phase 13 nov 1942:
1 battleship
1 heavy cruiser
2 destroyers
7 transports
Second phase 14-15 nov 1942:
1 battleship
1 destroyer
4 transports (beached first)
Plus:
64 aircraft
for a total of 1,900 killed (exclusive of transport losses)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Battle_of_Guadalcanal