G40 Gauss_Death (Allies +13) vs oysteilo (Axis)

@Ragnell804 said in VF (Germany) vs. Ragnell (Allies) | Original Europe with Balance 2.0, Game 11:

@VictoryFirst

I really dont know why i keep doing this moving to Leningrad and giving you the inside track to Moscow. I feel like I should’ve learned from my first 4 times doing this.

By this I mean stupid mistake lol

@AndrewAAGamer

First, the Axis will typically have 2 BH to fire onto the US units there. Every Allied player I have seen until you have used the Naval Bombardments to clear out the UK beaches to try and save the tanks from being destroyed, as it happened in this game. Because why would anyone not want to protect 3 of 14 available tanks, most of which do not get onto the board until the middle part of the game?
That, in my opinion, shows some difference in experience since the allied tanks are a valuable resource to protect.

The main point here is that, with your math, the odds of the US having more than 1 arty walk into Omaha are 50% at best. And the Axis mostly have 2 BH to fight with, which changes your numbers.

Second, there is approximately a 33% chance that 6 dice rolling for a 1 will miss, which is common enough to say your attack into Omaha, at least with the inf, was not getting hosed by missing. But the Germans getting slightly warm dice, added to the lack of hits.

Third, I did not have 6 more units on the board. Those 6 units were on the board from the start, and Omaha Beach is not set up for the Allies to walk over like Juno and Sword Beach. Using your logic, those units walking away from the beach also led to more Allied units surviving later in the game to fire more since you did not have to fight through them on the first few turns. As you would have in most other games. Your math also fails to consider that I can bring a tank, inf, or arty in on G1 to help push the odds in my favor to get those units free from the locked battle at Omaha. Which again changes your math and leads to their escape or the UK having to come in to bog them down again which affects you ability to power project to Caen.

Yes, I had fewer German units on the board. But my play was also based on what resources I had available. Should I have had fewer units at my disposal, I would not have made the earlier attacks that I did since I could see from the board state at round 5, I was in a winning position.

This was one game, so how can you say the game is balanced? Based on the results thus far the game is 100% in favor of the Germans as they are 1-0 right now. Why don’t we play another to put your money where your mouth is to see if you can make it 1-1?

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Rumania 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 bomber moved from Germany to Bessarabia 6 fighters moved from Poland to Baltic States 4 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 8 armour, 4 artilleries and 21 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland Combat - Germans Battle in Bessarabia Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in East Poland Germans attack with 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 10/36 hits, 10.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 8 armour, 6 artilleries and 22 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 6 fighters and 4 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 4 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 3.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 6 fighters and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 submarine moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 5 submarines and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Germany 5 fighters moved from Baltic States to Netherlands-Belgium 6 infantry moved from Finland to Norway 1 bomber moved from Bessarabia to Germany Place Units - Germans 8 armour placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -1.67 Germans regular : -0.17

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@VictoryFirst 63c3ce7f-867e-4c84-86eb-c4cfa148cc21-jap 1.tsvg

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 7 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 21 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine Germans take Ukraine from Russians 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians 9 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia Germans take Bessarabia from Russians 9 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Leningrad to Novgorod Germans take Novgorod from Russians 1 armour moved from Leningrad to Vologda Germans take Vologda from Russians 1 armour moved from Vologda to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Novgorod to Leningrad 3 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Leningrad to Archangel 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Leningrad to 128 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Leningrad to 118 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 107 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in Archangel Germans attack with 3 artilleries and 10 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 artilleries and 10 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 2/13 hits, 3.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Archangel Germans win, taking Archangel from Russians with 3 artilleries and 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in 107 Sea Zone Germans attack with 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 107 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 107 Sea Zone Germans win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in 118 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Russians and 1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 118 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17 Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser and 1 submarine Battle in 128 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 destroyer Russians defend with 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 destroyer in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 128 Sea Zone Germans win, taking 128 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 bombers and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Ukraine: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Ukraine Non Combat Move - Germans Trigger Ukraine Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Ukraine_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 107 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 2 bombers moved from 128 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 aaGuns moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 118 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 118 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 118 Sea Zone to Western Germany 4 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 115 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Leningrad 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in France Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 56 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : -1.17 Germans regular : 0.33

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@captainwalker fff48fa3-fcdc-4da5-b80f-a69ba30d4c13-triplea_41317_8usa.tsvg

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 10

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 10 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 6 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery moved from Leningrad to 118 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 transports moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway 3 bombers moved from Leningrad to Norway 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Norway 6 fighters and 6 tactical_bombers moved from France to Norway 1 armour moved from Ukraine to Rostov Germans take Rostov from Russians 1 armour moved from Rostov to Ukraine

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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@Tamer-of-Beasts

I think I send the latest version of WWI 1914 to someone else just before I made some updates, so if that works we can continue to play.