Real value of units

@Caesar:

I’d rather do the dog fight rule, it makes a lot more sense.

Yes that’s what I meant by combat.

(1) payment of (12) or two of (6).

-Japan uses them with the vast territory of China and Russia
-Germany to the front line in Russia
-Germany to Southern Itlay for transport to Africa
-UK, South Africa to Egypt

If you play with any of the varients, that have more territory , these can be more useful

nice piece…

@CWO:

Interesting hypothetical scenario.  It raises all sorts of questions, both from a point of view of weapons technology and politics.

Assuming that WWI had lasted for another 20 years (meaning, I assume, 20 more years after 1918, which brings us to 1938, one year short of the starting date of WWII), weapons technology would certainly have progressed further and faster (though not necessarily in the same directions) than it did historically.  To quote one example as an illustration, just look at the classes of battleships and battlecruisers that many WWI combatants had planned or were actually building at the time the war ended in 1918, but which were then abandoned.  The British, for instance, were planning a class of battleships armed with 18-inch guns that would probably have entered service in the early 1920s; in the real world, it was only in the early 1940s that an 18-inch gun battleship class (the Yamatos) entered service.  Many of the weapons that achieved maturity in WWII existed in WWI, albeit at the infancy stage – notably tanks and aircraft carriers.  The same was true of certain tactics: had the war lasted until 1919, there were plans on the Allied side to mount attacks by massed tanks working in close coordination with motorized infantry and aircraft support…essentially an early version of Blitzkrieg.

However, even though I can see some WWII-type weapons being used on the WWI game board under such a scenario, the part I think is problematic is the political element: the idea that the same 8 powers who are the contestants in the A&A 1914 game could still all be in existence, and still fighting each other, in 1938.  Remember, after all, that three of those states – Tsarist Russia, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire – were already politically and/or economically unstable in 1914.  Russia had already seen one revolution against the Romavov dynasty in 1906, and this had done nothing to persuade Nicolas II to liberalize his regime.  The Austro-Hungarian Empire was a mish-mash of restless ethnic groups led by an elderly ruler who, like Nicolas II, believed in absolute monarchy.  The Ottoman Empire had been in decline for a long time, and its leaders were both divided and paralyzed by indecision.  Frankly, I’m surprised that Russia managed to last till 1917 and the other two until 1918, so I don’t see any of those regimes surviving a further two decades of war.

I said another 20 years was highly improbable for the very reason of political (as well as economic) instability. I highly doubt the war could have gone on for twenty more years without several nations collapsing from the strain.

But as you correctly pointed out, technology would have advanced much faster had the war continued. I know for example that Thompson sub-machine guns were developed during WW1, but never saw action, and that they would later be used in WW2. So let’s say the war only goes on for another 2 or 3 years. This would bring many weapons used in WW2 into the conflict.

Now that we have a somewhat alternate-historical basis, can we design rules for allowing WW2 era A&A units such as TcB, StrB, MechInf, and CVs? As I’ve said, I haven’t actually played 1914, but I know there’s a rule for when tanks can actually be built, could a similar rule be implemented for other units? I plan to buy 1914 and try it out.

@imperious-leader said in ANTI-TANK UNIT:

Ok unit is a 3-2-1-5 unit.

But moves 2 in NCM

if it rolls one in combat, another tank or armor class unit must be taken as loss by defender.

Bingo !

New Units

IPC Lend-Lease
IPCs can be converted to raw materials (represented by tokens from AA Battle of the Bulge). These tokens can be transported by transport, cargo plane, and/or mechanical infantry.  Transports and cargo planes can carry up to 10 IPC’s and mechanical infantry can carry up to 5. The raw materials can be moved to a team player as either a loan or gift (based on verbal agreement). These raw materials are produced at industrial complexes. Production of 3 raw materials at an industry only counts against 1 production cap. (E.g. A major industry could produce 30 raw materials in one turn) No IPCs can be “pirated,” they are destroyed along with the units carrying them with the exception of those that are carried over land. Mechanical infantry transporting raw materials cannot attack, but defend normally.

Pillbox
Pillboxes cost 5 IPCs (limit one per territory) and can take 2 hits before any hits have to be taken against your defending land units. Pillboxes are destroyed if territory is captured. Pillboxes can be repaired, even if fully damaged, at the cost of 1IPC per damage marker. Counts as a facility for sabotage and increased factory production technology purposes only. Cannot be strategically bombed or attacked by a rocket attack. Can be upgraded to a fortress for 10 IPCs.

Fortress
Fortresses cost 12 IPCs (limit one per territory) and replace pillboxes. They can take 4 hits before any hits have to be taken against your defending land units. Fortresses are destroyed if territory is captured. Fortresses can be repaired, even if fully damaged, at the cost of 1IPC per damage marker. Counts as a facility and has antiaircraft defense against strategic bombing runs and rocket attacks only. Defends at a 3 during all combat rounds, stops defending after 3 damage inflicted against it.

Shore Batteries
Shore Batteries cost 8 IPCs (limit one per territory) and roll 1 dice for each transport conducting an amphibious assault and each warship conducting a coastal bombardment. Hits on a 1. Movement 1.

Cargo Planes
Cargo planes may transport two infantry or one infantry and artillery or one mechanical infantry or one tank into a friendly territory. All units must start from the same location. Cargo planes cost 12 IPCs, move 6, and have an attack value of 0 (may be taken as casualties in an offensive, but must be Para dropping).

Land Mine Fields
Mine fields cost 10 IPCs (limit one per territory). Mine fields roll 1 dice for each land unit (including paratroopers) attacking the territory and hit on a 1. Destroyed if territory lost. Built directly on the territory. Territory must have been under your control since beginning of turn.

Naval Mine Fields
Naval mines cost 8 IPCs (limit one per border). Naval borders are mined instead of sea zones (white chips for Allies and grey for Axis) deployed where your cruiser present. Cruiser must not have been in combat on same round. Can be removed by opposing destroyers if destroyer has not been in combat on same round. Rolls 1 dice for each ship/sub passing through sea border. Hits on a 1.
Axis mines: http://www.mediafire.com/?tao8kieyv8i6xu9
Allied mines: http://www.mediafire.com/?kcn6osvgwx0vc5x

Spy Network Rules:

Spies (represented by infantry) cost 3 IPC’s each and are designated as either sabotage or espionage. When the spy is designated it cannot be changed. Only 1 spy per slot (espionage and sabotage).
Espionage:
To use a spy for espionage, roll 1D6, the player whom you are using the spy against then rolls 1D6, if the defending player wins nothing happens. Defender wins on a tie. If you win, see espionage below and leave the spy on the board for further use.
Sabotage:
To use a spy for sabotage, roll 1D6, the player whom you are using the spy against then rolls 1D6, if the defending player wins, the spy is captured. Remove the spy from the board. Defender wins on a tie. If you win, see sabotage below and leave the spy on the board for further use.
http://www.mediafire.com/?smq4qqddfvnqicq

Espionage
When the targeted opponent finishes its combat move phase, but before its conduct combat phase, you may make one special move. You may move any number of your units from any one adjacent space into one friendly space being attacked by that opponent. Alternatively, you may move any number of your units from a space being attacked by opponent into an adjacent friendly space, but you must leave at least one of your units behind. This special move otherwise follows the rules for a noncombat move. If your units survive, they remain in the space to which they were moved. This ability must be used on the targeted opposition’s NEXT combat move/conduct combat phases following your successful espionage role.

Sabotage
You may immediately roll 1D4 against a chosen facility owned by targeted player. That amount rolled on the die is damage done to that facility. If the chosen facility is an industrial complex, normal damage rules apply. Does not destroy pillboxes or fortresses.

Part 3 - Technology
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=21072.0

Edit: added links to Axis and Allies’ chips

I slightly redesigned my concept of ATGs:

ATGs should be 1(2)/2(3)/1 units.

1/2/1 vs all units except tanks
2/3/1 vs tanks

It’s more logical to get the + 1 bonus against tanks as an ATG in both, attack and defense.

This makes ATGs more valuable and justifies its costs of 4 IPC.

I’d stick with the Larry Harris scheme (factory in Sink for 5 doesn’t seem right), just add a total of 5 inf to what China already has.  1941 requires even more inf I think as China is much too weak.

If Japan can destroy China by Turn 3 something isn’t right IMHO.  A pro Japan should capture China by Turn 4-5, India by 6-8, and start threatening Moscow around Turn 10.  If Germany/Italy can still hold out for a few more turns at this point then the Axis probably deserves the win.