Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

@oysteilo:

Ahhhh. Got it, never mind

No, I don’t get it after all. This means that kamikaze strikes prevents sea battles. Why isn’t there a sea battle in sea sone 6 after the Kamikaze strikes? After all a sub prevents an amphibious landing.

Now I got it I think. Thanks!

@oysteilo:

Now I got it I think. Thanks!

You are welcome.  :-)

I suppose an argument could be made about whether the rules should allow this, but it’s not the biggest issue with the current rule set.

Japan builds a minor complex on Kwangtung.
India falls to Japan and stays in Japanese hands.
China takes Kwangtung from the Japanese and places it’s roundel there since India belongs to Japan.
Question; What happens to the minor complex?
I thought that the complex would be removed, but now after rereading the rules I’m not convinced that this is the case. The rules state that a complex is removed from Chinese territory, it doesn’t say anything about Kwangtung who they are allowed to occupy. Elsewhere in the book it says that complexes can’t be destroyed.

Although I haven’t been long with AA community and a total newbie, my humble opinion…

In my perspective this is now Chinese territory (as long as Calcutta is in Axis) hands and therefore normally subject to page 21,

“If the original controller’s (the power whose territory you just liberated) capital is in enemy hands at the end of the turn in which you would otherwise have liberated the territory, you capture the territory instead. You adjust your national production level, and you can use any industrial complex, air base, and/or naval base there until the original controller’s capital is liberated. The capturing player can’t use these newly captured facilities until the player’s next turn.”

However, China is not an Industrialized nation, and have a special rule set applied! Any other nation could benefit from this paragraph, and make use of the complex…the opposite is true regarding China in my opinion.

Page 10 states the following; “If a Japanese industrial complex is built on a Chinese TERRITORY and that territory is later recaptured by the Chinese or liberated by another Allied power, the industrial complex is removed from the game.”

A Chinese territory cannot hold an IC, irrespective of former ownership, as I see the rules.😊

Nice video on China by the way….General…👍

Page 10 states the following; “If a Japanese industrial complex is built on a Chinese TERRITORY and that territory is later recaptured by the Chinese or liberated by another Allied power, the industrial complex is removed from the game.”

They must b referring to the og chinese territories or else the rules would have included the uk territorries by name. Further…it was captured, not “built on a chinese territory” as the rule states.

I think this comparable to a situation where Japan has build a minor complex in Kiangsu. Now when this is recaptured by the Chinese, it is by definition Chinese territory. So is Kwangtung…as long as Calcutta is held by the Axis. It is NOT possible for the Chinese to run an IC in a Chinese territory. Think of it as missing “know how”… it woulden’t make sense they know how to run an industry in Kwangtung, but not in Kiangsu.

I believe the industrial complex stays put since it is not an original chinese teritory. I assume china can not mobilize new units in Kwangtung, they can only mobilze in original chinese teritories

China can only mobilize in chinese territories but you can move into burma and kwangtung.

Oystello is right.@oysteilo:

I believe the industrial complex stays put since it is not an original chinese teritory. I assume china can not mobilize new units in Kwangtung, they can only mobilze in original chinese teritories

Then the rules should explicitly state “original chinese ownership”. Has there been an errata put out on this question?

I suppose it can be inferred but it is more tortured than it needs to be.

The rules say if the ic was BUILT on a chinese territory. In this case the ic was built on a uk territory.

Industrial complex on Kwangtung is never destroyed because it is an original UK territory, not a Chinese territory.  You go by what symbol is printed on the map board

Alright, point taken….as long as the Chinese cannot make use of it.

Since it is a uk territory, not a chinese territory, china can not place there with or without factory

A neutral power may not noncom or attack a neutral territory. Its all over both rule books.
The Russian political situation in both Eur and Global states in the first paragraph…"This secret agreement, known as the molotov-zipperhead pact, assures that the Sov Un will remain neutral will remain neutral should Ger go to war in europe. “It also permits each power to expand its sphere of influence in eastern europe without interference from the other”
Should i ignore this or is it a special circumstance allowing Rus and Germany to take european neutrals (yugo, greece &/or bulgaria)?

I think that just refers to USSR starting the game with Eastern Poland, which it didn’t own in 1930. Perhaps the Baltic States too. Not sure when they came into the USSR.

@Bob77:

A neutral power may not noncom or attack a neutral territory. Its all over both rule books.
The Russian political situation in both Eur and Global states in the first paragraph…"This secret agreement, known as the molotov-zipperhead pact, assures that the Sov Un will remain neutral will remain neutral should Ger go to war in europe. “It also permits each power to expand its sphere of influence in eastern europe without interference from the other”
Should i ignore this or is it a special circumstance allowing Rus and Germany to take european neutrals (yugo, greece &/or bulgaria)?

The text in italics is a brief description of the historical background. The rules follow starting from “Political Situation”.