Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

I’m sure this has been answered before, but I’m on my phone bored a train station so downloading the rulebook PDF or viewing my physical one isn’t practical.

Question:

I2:
Italy declares war on Russia.

G3:
If Germany does not declare, they gain their +5 IPC bonus from trading with Russia (and can move into any Italian territories taken from Russia). Let’s assume Germany does not want to walk into Karelia so they can keep troops in Finland against a possible allied landing in Norway, and Italy already took Eastern Poland/Baltic States so there’s nothing of value there and Germany can still advance.

There is a German sub in SZ 125 + Russia holds archangel (naturally, it’s only G3) + there are no allied units in Russian territories.

R3:
Russia can declare war on Germany R3, of course, since they are already at war with Italy, right? But what if they don’t? If Germany does not declare war, and Russia does not declare war on Germany, does Russia still get their +5 NO from lend/lease since they are not at war with Germany and so that German sub in SZ125 does not matter? A drawback of this is being unable to reclaim any territories the Italians took, but with the Germans there this is impractical anyway, especially since those territories are only worth 1 or 0 IPCs.

What does the rule book say about this NO? Does it say no enemy axis warships present in 125? Does it simply say no axis warships present?

As always, thank you.

Just no Axis warships present. A German (or Japanese, even though that’s impractical) sub will prevent the NO even if that power is not at war with Russia. An Italian one would prevent it too if Russia was at war with Germany but not Italy for some reason.

That’s right, since Russia is at war (with Italy) they could get the NO, but there must be no Axis warships present in 125, and that includes Axis powers that Russia is not at war with, so Russia might as well declare war on Germany anyway

@Bentley:

Question: if you were to transport an AAA with a troop on a transport and conduct and amphib assault, would the AAA be put on land in the CM phase or stay on the transport until the NCM phase?

I may have another question depending on the answer to this one. Thanks.

That’s a good question Bentley, AAA Guns can’t be moved during the combat movement phase, and during amphibious assaults, a transport must unload all it’s cargo into the same territory. I will ask someone who will know for sure and I will post their answer here.

Cheers.

1. You can’t load an AAA gun onto a transport during the combat movement phase, so to have an AAA on your transport during the combat movement phase, you would have had to have loaded that AAA onto the transport on an earlier turn, in the non-combat movement phase.

2. If you do already have an AAA on a transport during the combat movement phase from an earlier turn, and you conduct an amphibious assault with that transport by unloading 1 infantry onto an enemy territory, you may not unload the AAA during that turn at all.  This is because once a transport unloads (it unloaded an infantry) it is DONE for the turn and cannot ever do another unload during that non-combat movement phase.

So the answer to your question is neither.  You can’t unload the AAA in the combat movement phase (this is never possible) AND you can’t unload the AAA in the noncombat movement phase EITHER, if you unloaded an infantry from that transport in the combat movement phase.

In other words, to say it more simply, AAA can only be moved in the non-combat phase, therefore can only be loaded or unloaded during the noncombat movement phase.  A transport may never unload 1 unit in the combat movement phase and the other in the noncombat movement phase.

Thanks Gamerman, I’ll pass that on for you.

@Gamerman01:

That’s right, since Russia is at war (with Italy) they could get the NO, but there must be no Axis warships present in 125, and that includes Axis powers that Russia is not at war with, so Russia might as well declare war on Germany anyway

Now, assuming italy declares war and take eastern poland. Then germany does not declare at the beginning of next round, but move in all their stuff. Then my question come. Assuming Russia does not declare war on Germany,  can Russia attack the Italian (and not the German) forces in eastern poland? I think they can not.

They can’t attack East Poland because German units are in it.

You must be at war with the power that controls the territory and with all powers that control units that are in the territory in order to attack a territory.

@Gamerman01:

2. If you do already have an AAA on a transport during the combat movement phase from an earlier turn, and you conduct an amphibious assault with that transport by unloading 1 infantry onto an enemy territory, you may not unload the AAA during that turn at all.  This is because once a transport unloads (it unloaded an infantry) it is DONE for the turn and cannot ever do another unload during that non-combat movement phase.

ALSO

The transport carrying the AA gun cannot move during combat movement. So, that transport with infantry and AA gun had to be sitting in the sea zone at the beginning of the turn for you to even be able to conduct an amphibious assault with that infantry.

Marsh

@Marshmallow:

The transport carrying the AA gun cannot move during combat movement.

That’s incorrect.  Being carried by a transport (but not loading onto one) during combat movement is a stated exception to the rule that AAA can’t move during combat movement.  See page 29 of the Europe Rulebook.

@Gamerman01:

That’s right, since Russia is at war (with Italy) they could get the NO, but there must be no Axis warships present in 125, and that includes Axis powers that Russia is not at war with, so Russia might as well declare war on Germany anyway

Yea that it a strange situation. Russia is eligible for the NO because they are at war w/Euro axis (Italy). The NO doesn’t specify that the axis power with war ship in sz125 has to also be at war with Russia, so w/German war ship in sz125 Russia doesn’t get the NO. This makes sense though if you think about it because the Germans would be looking to sink allied cargo ships (UK/US) not Russian ships so the raiding would still be going on.

Because there is so many hoops for the Russians to jump though to get that NO, I think it would be cool to make the Germans roll convoy dice to see if they can negate the lend lease NO.

Wild Bill, that makes total sense. One Axis Sub in 125 gets 2 rolls, max loss 5, but Russia might still get one or two IPCs sneaking through. Much fairer and also fits the Convoy Rules perfectly.

@Krieghund:

@Marshmallow:

The transport carrying the AA gun cannot move during combat movement.

That’s incorrect.  Being carried by a transport (but not loading onto one) during combat movement is a stated exception to the rule that AAA can’t move during combat movement.  See page 29 of the Europe Rulebook.

Thanks for pointing that out. Little stuff hiding in the rules will be the bane of me!

Marsh

We are really, really fortunate that Krieghund reads this thread on this site and corrects anything that’s wrong

Ugh, this has me stumped, and it actually came up in my game tonight.

I have an undamaged carrier, fighter, tac
attacking
1 transport, 2 submarines.

I don’t retreat because I want to sink the transport, so I need to score another hit with my 2 aircraft.
If my opponent elects to submerge his 2 submarines, does that take away my retreat option?
In other words, can you retreat after a submerge when those subs were the last remaining units with attack values?

I re-read the retreat rules and I can’t determine, because step 6 condition A says attacker or defender loses all units (not the case here - the subs were not “lost”) or condition B, attacker retreats.

You can’t retreat.  While the subs weren’t destroyed, they are no longer participating in the battle, so the defender has lost all units in the battle that can either fire or retreat.

Man, I appreciate that fast answer so much.  We’re playing back and forth quite rapidly now, and with this very quick answer there is zero break in the action.

Thanks, K!!!

Thanks in advance for this hopefully easy-to-answer question:

1. USA has taken S. Italy. There are German troops, but no Italians, in N. Italy. In this case, is the N. Italy IC reduced to a minor?

2. Also, if Germany is unable to retake S. Italy but keeps forces in N. Italy, thereby leaving Italy’s capital in Allied hands, does Germany automatically take possession of N. Italy? In this case, does the IC remain a major?

@PlasticKnight:

Thanks in advance for this hopefully easy-to-answer question:

1. USA has taken S. Italy. There are German troops, but no Italians, in N. Italy. In this case, is the N. Italy IC reduced to a minor?

No.  IC’s are only reduced to minors when they are captured by enemy troops.  No other IC’s are reduced when a capital falls.

2. Also, if Germany is unable to retake S. Italy but keeps forces in N. Italy, thereby leaving Italy’s capital in Allied hands, does Germany automatically take possession of N. Italy? In this case, does the IC remain a major?

Never.  North Italy remains Italian until captured by an Allied power.  Then if Germany takes control of North Italy and Rome is still in Allied hands, THEN Germany gets control of North Italy.  It works this way for all powers and capitals.  It’s the same as the French.  The capital falls on G1, and the French territories remain French until an Axis power takes control of a French territory.  THEN, an Allied power can wrest control of that territory back from the Axis, and THEN they take control of that territory for themselves.  Until the capital is liberated, in which case all of that power’s ORIGINAL territories immediately revert to the original owner’s control. 
The IC remains major regardless - see #1.

Wonderful, thank you for the quick reply!