Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

Mongolia is not activated because Suiyan is not a Russian controlled territory.

If Russia attacks a Japanese controlled Chinese territory bordering Mongolia, then Mongolia will become strictly neutral.

@Gargantua:

Russian units in Suiyan are attacked by Japan.

Suiyan Borders Mongolia.

Does this activate Mongolia?  Or is Mongolia only affected when Russian troops attack Japanese territories bordering Mongolia?

You need to read the Mongolia rules on page 39 of the rulebook.

Doesn’t matter that Russian units are attacked by Japan - it must be a Russian-controlled territory that is attacked by Japan that prevents Mongolia from ever allying with the Soviet Union the rest of the game.  Since Chinese territories can never be controlled by the Soviet Union, Japan can always attack any of the Chinese territories bordering Mongolia without affecting Mongolia - no matter if there are Russian units in them.

Same with Russia attacking Japan - the rulebook says Japan-controlled territories bordering Mongolia, or Korea.  So Russia can attack Japanese units in China without affecting Mongolia as well.

@Gamerman01:

@Gargantua:

Russian units in Suiyan are attacked by Japan.

Suiyan Borders Mongolia.

Does this activate Mongolia?  Or is Mongolia only affected when Russian troops attack Japanese territories bordering Mongolia?

You need to read the Mongolia rules on page 39 of the rulebook.

Doesn’t matter that Russian units are attacked by Japan - it must be a Russian-controlled territory that is attacked by Japan that prevents Mongolia from ever allying with the Soviet Union the rest of the game. Since Chinese territories can never be controlled by the Soviet Union, Japan can always attack any of the Chinese territories bordering Mongolia without affecting Mongolia - no matter if there are Russian units in them.

I think you mean immediately activating Mongolia here.

@Gamerman01:

Same with Russia attacking Japan - the rulebook says Japan-controlled territories bordering Mongolia, or Korea.  So Russia can attack Japanese units in China without affecting Mongolia as well.

Just to clarify, Russia can freely attack Japanese units in internal China, but not the Chinese territories adjacent to Mongolia or Korea, unless somehow Germany or Italy captured them first.

ColonelCarter, I understand that you are trying to help, but

You’re wrong, I did not mean “immediately activating Mongolia” - I meant what I said.  This language of “allying with the Soviet Union” is straight from page 39 of the rule book, word for word.

I think you were right to try and clarify my statement about Russia attacking Japanese units in China, but you actually didn’t clarify, you made it worse.  However, you did succeed in bringing it to my attention - I will clarify it now.

Regarding Chinese territories bordering Mongolia -

Russia can’t attack Japanese units in Chinese territories bordering Mongolia without consequence, because these Japanese units would normally be in Japanese controlled territories.  However, as you pointed out, if you actually had the strange situation where Germany or Italy controlled the Chinese territory that borders a still strict neutral Mongolia, Russia could attack that territory which could even have Japanese units in it without consequence because it is not Japanese controlled.

It’s just what the rulebook says: Russia can’t attack Korea or any Japanese controlled territory that borders Mongolia without consequence - that is, if Russia does attack Korea or a Japanese controlled territory bordering Mongolia before Japan has invaded a Russian controlled territory bordering Mongolia, then Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union (for the rest of the game, which is clear if you read the sentence that comes before this)

Some time ago I posted a summary of Mongolia and Neutrals rules - perhaps you or someone else may find them helpful:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.15

Alright, your clarification is much more clear.

But for the first part, your statement is contradictory.
@Gamerman01:

it must be a Russian-controlled territory that is attacked by Japan that prevents Mongolia from ever allying with the Soviet Union the rest of the game.

Either you mean “causes Mongolia to be placed under control of the Soviet Union” using rulebook terminology for the second part (my assumption), or you mean “a Japanese-controlled territory that is attacked by Russia” for the first part (possibly what you thought you wrote).

Great, now we’re getting somewhere -

It’s so confusing sometimes.  I think I know how to respond to your latest post, after thinking about it again.

I believe I was correct in saying Russian-controlled territory attacked by Japan prevents Mongolia from allying with the Soviet Union.

If Japan jumps the gun and attacks, say, Amur before Russia has violated “the pact”, then Mongolia will never join Russia in the manner described on page 39 (standing army units placed on the board using Soviet pieces and Soviet control markers placed on Mongolia).

The last sentence on page 39 uses the language of “Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union” which is why I used it too.  Others may call this “activation” of Mongolia - it is the same concept.  We are talking about the same thing.

Hello we discuss what happend(fire) first:

It is an amphibian assault on england with Battleship and fighters too. Who fire First ?

The Battleship because offshore bombordament is befor land comabt, or the AAA on the Fighter, because it is before “First round of combat” ?

Hi surfnrat,

It doesn’t matter which one fires first, between a bombarding battleship and a defending AAA against attacking fighters.  They both need to be rolled.  The battleship and the AAA should be rolled before the attack roll, that’s what matters.

I think I know this answer but just want to be sure.  If able to you have to place all purchased units at the end of your turn.  Correct?

That’s right, Majikforce.

Yes, and I can assure you that has been confirmed on this FAQ before, by Krieghund.

Does Russian units in China negate the Mongolian rule? URGENT!

@Young:

Does Russian units in China negate the Mongolian rule? URGENT!

if russian units attack a japanese controlled territory bordering mongolia, then the mongolian pact is canceled.  if japan attacks a chinese territory with russian units in it, the mongolians do not join russia.  they only join russia if the pact is still active and japan attacks a russian CONTROLLED territory bordering mongolia.  that means the territory must be red.

That’s correct.  And since it’s impossible for Chinese territories to ever be Russian controlled, the only time Mongolia will turn Russian is if Japan attacks a Russian controlled territory bordering Mongolia.

Scenario: Italy is at war with Russia turn 1. By turn 3 the Italians have taken Eastern Poland.  Germany, still Neutral with Russia, NCM’s all its units to Eastern Poland.

Question 1: What happens if Russia attacks Eastern Poland? Or can they?

Question 2: This seems like a loop hole of some sort.  What is the explanation behind it please?  I just want to make sure I understand the political rules concerning this.  Thanks!

Note that Russia can DOW Germany since it’s at war with Italy. I’m not sure what happens if it decides not to, though.

You can’t attack a territory unless you are at war with everyone in the territory, so if Russia is not at war with Germany, they can’t attack.

However, Russia is allowed to declare war on Germany when Italy declares war on Russia, so they can just declare war on Germany and attack the territory.

@Gamerman01:

It is only at sea that you can ignore the units of powers with which you are not at war

On land, YOU CAN NEVER ATTACK a territory that contains a single unit of a power with which you are not at war.
In your example, Russia is not allowed to attack East Poland without declaring war on Germany because German units are in East Poland.Â

Note that Triple A does not always properly observe this rule.

I do not like this rule :(

@Imperious:

Only post 2nd edition questions and answers here.

Can I move into a hostile sea zone during non combat move so my planes can land?

On the Russian turn an INF loads onto a UK TRN.  On UK’s turn could they load an ART on the same TRN and conduct an amphibious assault?  And then on Russias turn can they unload the INF ? Thanks.