Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

FMG tried to give people time tables but unfortunately things came up. These pieces are almost here and I for one am stoked. Jeremy always said from the start what the situation was he never lied or was disengenious. I know the wait sucks but deal it with it because it is almost over.

People can complain, and they will, because that’s what the internet is for: anonymous rage, immaturity and passive aggression.

However, there was NEVER a guaranteed date.  He gave only estimates, and his call to arms was for us, the community, to invest in the form of a preorder to get the project through development.  He misled no one, and if you feel misled, then you preordered for the wrong reasons: you wanted something shiny but didn’t think about the risks of “investment”.

This was, and always has been, a request by Jeremy to help fund the project.  There was always a hope that the project would move quickly, but NEVER a guarantee.  Nothing in your order suggested when it would be done, and besides an honest business ethic and interest by him to succeed, nothing guaranteed a final product.  For the risk of this type of niche market, in this condition of the economy, a small business could go bankrupt on an endeavor like this, and often do.

No one should have ordered more than they were willing to 100% lose, and no one should have ordered if there was a timeline they couldn’t live with.  If you needed more security, you should have waited for the project to be complete before ordering.

That said, yes, you can certainly be disappointed with the situation, but I don’t believe anyone but Jeremy has the right to be angry.  You should have known the risks.

@Imperious:

Lets not have any more posts about people complaining about people complaining while complaining.

LMAO!  Sounds like a plan, IL! :)

You know, even as I was making my last post, I wondered when you might step in and set everyone straight IL.  Well, you are right, no more complaining.  This thread is to talk about the pieces, so let’s talk pieces.  We already know the Italian pieces look REALLY cool.

So, how are things going with the Germans?  I know we just got the last of the clay sculpts (LOVE the He111 by the way).  Next you have to get those pre-production moulds in the white plastic, right?  After that will start work on the mould itself?  I hope they get this one right the first time (no defects).

FMG site was updated since yesterday with the new Italian banner - looks SWEET!  Change is in the air! :)

@DFWSupertrooper:

FMG site was updated since yesterday with the new Italian banner - looks SWEET!  Change is in the air! :)

Anybody ordered the Italian units yet ?

Well, I did, two sets.  :wink:

J.  8-)

@Imperious:

Lets not have any more posts about people complaining about people complaining while complaining.

I agree with IL. Its time to stop all the useless posts and I am probably guilty also. It has gotton tiresome to come checking here for news every time I get an e-mail and then find some nonsense posted here.

I just think it is rather interesting that 2 1/2 years after all this was started up in March 2009 we are still talking about, and I mean just talking about, about these new improved better amazing incredible outstanding units!!! but still NOT HERE!!  Always around the corner!! it’s like the Iranians telling Jimmy Carter the hostages will be released any time. This has lasted longer than the 444 days of that crisis.

Yet you have all badmouthed Avalon Hill HASBRO who originally produced these games as chimps and worse. You do not recognize how incredibly difficult it is to produce such a massive complicated game and yet you all call them chimps. But boy are you all ready to forgive this continual “just around the corne it’ll be ready” saga for just one measley set of Italian, no less, pieces!!!  At this rate HASBRO would have taken 8 years to produce the 1940 Axis & Allies’.

The continual onslaught against HASBRO is undeserved. The constant berating of Hasbro for making a profit off this game is amusing too. Look at what they have given to us for what the incredible low price of about $80.00 and then compare that to the cost of 2 measley bags of units of two countries! 2 countries for $80.00! 3 counties for $120.00 Hello McFly not cost effective. Do the math.

In the meantime the designer and playtesters get a free ride from you for producing the worst rules of all time apparently! Not my personal opinion, I believe in playing the OOB rules with minor and I mean minor House Rules. Yet they get a free ride. I see no sustained criticisms of them. But HASBRO gets it all!

I have yet to see any real apology from Harris nor from Krieghund about those so called defective rules and we have yet to see any definitive iteration of the Final rules, now in what Alph 3+ mode? Gamma?? anyone??

The real apology should be that they caved in to all the whining that the wwaahhhhh the Axis can’t win!  Wah Wah Wah!!! can you imagine that, the Axis not winning a WWII game??!!

I don’t have a dog in that OOB setup fight.
I was fine with it and I played Germany. Of course I lost. Others in our group won as the Axis/Germany too! 
The Axis indeed has a distinct and difficult time to achieve victory! Duh! Of course, that makes victory even sweeter.
We had a few tweaks, but no massacre of the setup and the rules like Alpha 3+ or Gamma or whatver panic everyone is going thru right now.
And now we are fine and balanced.

My main complaint is that Larry caved in to all the whining!

Let me assure you Alpha14+ will not stop the whining, that’s what I mean. The cat is out of the bag and they let it out.

My statements that the continual personal attacks on HASBRO are undeserved still stand.
We have a fine game as attested to by all the wonderful hours of play and strategies and social gatherings to play it for hours at a time.
The product in and of itself it amazing: the board, the units, the charts, the boxes cards etc etc etc etc all for $80.00.
I don’t have $40.00 to spend on each set of units.
I think the price point is ridiculous, honestly; yet HASBRO is called chimps for producing the entire game for what 2 countries will cost from FMG.
If this was HASBRO producing these new units, I have no doubt that there would be mass “Chimps” calls and outrages for the 2 years + it has taken so far.

I think the main reason FMG is charging what they are for the Italian units (and subsequent sets) is because you get many more pieces than you get in a game of A&A 1940 and they are much more detailed than the OOB pieces.  Perhaps you don’t care as much about the detail on the pieces themselves and thus have no real use for FMG’s pieces, and that’s fine for you.  Some gamers ARE more interested in the tiny details and as such are willing to pay a little more to get them.  As for me, I’m just a piece junkie.  Gotta have more.

You make a point about the different game setups that have come out (OOB, Alpha, Alpha +, Alpha +1, Alpha +2).  My group always uses the Alpha +2 setup simply because it is the latest version and we like some of the changes, particularly in the NOs and scramble rules.  Remember in OOB, you could only scramble from islands, NOT coastal airbases, and it was an unlimited number of fighters and tac bombers that could do so.  So basically, only Japan was allowed to scramble to defend their capital, which is just stupid to me.  Like England or the US wouldn’t scramble to defend the capital.  Plus, Japan could conceivably scramble 20+ planes so you would never be able to invade Japan.  With the victory conditions (all 3 Axis capitals in Allied control) you could have a game last forever.
One other thing I didn’t like about OOB setup was how many planes Japan had.  They had WAY too many planes.  Heck, even with Alpha +2 they still have twice as many as Germany and the Luftwaffe was the largest air force in the world back then.

I think it should be pointed out as well Shake, that you’re comparing Hasbro with FMG…  That alone isn’t exactly fair.  Hasbro has far more resources to draw upon, from manpower to financing.  Just say’in.

Shakespeare if you aren’t buying the units why are you getting so upset about it. As for Larry and Krieghund. How are they getting a free ride when people are constantly saying the game is unbalanced. I personally believe Alpha 2 is fine. James Aleman made a great post saying in his playgroup the Axis almost always wins. If you were buying the product and you were upset because of the delay I would understand but you said you couldn’t afford them so I assume you didn’t order them.If you don’t have any skin in the game don’t sweat it.

After 194 pages (the longest thread in the history of this board) I think I am going to abandon this thread.

It is so long, it holds no REAL information to anyone.  Updates can now be found on the LOCKED sticky thread above.  I recently asked IL to un-sticky this thread…  and as far as I am concerned it can fall into obscurity, and into History.

This thread has become nothing but bad publicity for both this project and my company.

Jeremy

@FieldMarshalGames:

After 194 pages (the longest thread in the history of this board) I think I am going to abandon this thread.

It is so long, it holds no REAL information to anyone.  Updates can now be found on the LOCKED sticky thread above.  I recently asked IL to un-sticky this thread…  and as far as I am concerned it can fall into obscurity, and into History.

This thread has become nothing but bad publicity for both this project and my company.

Jeremy

…and this is how idiots ruin it for everyone else…thank you for everything Jeremy (especially your patience with people)…look forward to the project’s impending glory! :)

i look at this thread and and i see positive.

@FieldMarshalGames:

This thread has become nothing but bad publicity for both this project and my company.

Jeremy

Well thanks a lot Jeremy.  That feels REAL GOOD to all of us that have been very supportive of you, your company and this project.  I guess the opinions of a few bad apples carrys more weight than all of the members that have said nothing but good things about FMG and this project.

@FieldMarshalGames:

This thread has become nothing but bad publicity for both this project and my company.

Jeremy

All publicity is good publicity.  :wink:

In any case, I think you should consider not abandoning the thread, after all. There are several reasons:

-This is where you can get feedback on the sculpts, and any incorrect details on the units will be quickly pointed out.

-Leaving the thread makes you come across as wanting to avoid criticism. That is not a good thing.

-A project like this needs a discussion thread. So there is a lot of complaining, let the moderator handle that. Your discussing the project with the community is invaluable.

Keep discussing your project. Maybe you should consider starting a new thread, seeing as this one is quite long and sometimes confusing.

@knp7765:

@FieldMarshalGames:

This thread has become nothing but bad publicity for both this project and my company.

Jeremy

Well thanks a lot Jeremy.  That feels REAL GOOD to all of us that have been very supportive of you, your company and this project.  I guess the opinions of a few bad apples carrys more weight than all of the members that have said nothing but good things about FMG and this project.

Unfortunately, that’s true.  A few bad opinions stick in peoples heads a thousand times more than a 100 great opinions.  It’s a fact of life.