I mean according to the battle of Castle Itter, there was a SS officer that helped the allies out.
Most overrated person in WWII
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Who is your candidate for this topic?
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Patton.
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Maybe Admiral Nimitz?
I have nothing negative to say about him, but a significant portion of his success can be attributed to the cracking of Japanese naval codes.
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My pick would be Winston Churchill, on the basis of the difference between his public image and the actual reality of the man. He was unquestionably determined to fight for Britain’s survival, sincere in his utter loathing of Hitler, relentless in the pursuit of his efforts to bring the US into the war on Britain’s side, and a formidable stiffener of British resolve at a dark time in that country’s history. He did, however, have a number of failings – some of which were countreproductive to the British war effort, and some of which would have provoked a public outcry if they had been known outside of his immediate circle during the war. In the latter category was his private flouting of the wartime rationing system: he supposedly had daily breakfasts of pheasant or partridge which exceeded the weekly protein allowance of British schoolchildren, and the war did not interrupt his lifetime habit of drinking a daily pint of champagne (on top of his other forms of liquor consumption).
In the former category, he had a habit of meddling with military matters in ways that were controversial, sometimes with disastrous results. One example was Churchill’s insistence that Wavell – who had managed to reach Libya – send substantial forces to Greece, a move which not only wrecked Wavell’s advance but also failed to save Greece and led to another humiliating Dunkirk-like evacuation for Britain. Churchill preached magnanimity towards one’s enemies, but showed little enough of it towards his own commanders: the ill and elderly Admiral Sir Dudley Pound was one of the victims of Churchill’s bullying (notably at the time of the Bismarck operation), and Sir John Dill (briefly Chief of the Imperial General Staff) was another senior officer with whom Churchill had a very fractious relationship.
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Tough to choose here because most of the famous people from WWII were fairly good at what they did or they wouldn’t have been in a position to be famous.
Perhaps General Montgomery? Admiral Halsey? Herman Goring?
This is a tough one.
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Montgomery for sure
He won north Africa because he had more men not because he was skilled. He just mopped the depleted, over extended, out of supplies Afrika Corps.
Also Market Garden was a big fail and was a really dumb plan. It diverted/wasted a lot of resources. Plus it slowed Patton’s advance into Germany. Allies could afford loss of material but not the main thing this operation wasted.
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If those resources were used for a big push into Germany by Patton’s army, the US Army would have been in Berlin before the commies.
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Yes definitely Monty. What a joke. The guy needed like 4:1 in every battle and lots of time to make his plan work. He should be tied with Herman Goering for joke leader.
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What about Charles de Gaulle?
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Admiral Yamamoto.
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Patton.
No way! I used to think that as well, but after some research Patton did more with less casualties than any other American general, and far exceeded in results versus resources. Patton did what he said he would do and had he not been held so tight by Ike he may have changed history dramatically in favor of the allies.
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BTW, my vote is Rommel. A lot of better generals than him and even though he was later implicated by Hitler in plots against his life. Rommel was just as in love with Hitler as many other Nazis. He is made, by many, to be some hero just doing what was good for his country and was just a good German soldier. Nope. Rommel while no slouch is definately over-rated.
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@Imperious:
Yes definitely Monty. What a joke. The guy needed like 4:1 in every battle and lots of time to make his plan work. He should be tied with Herman Goering for joke leader.
Perhaps you can give me the force ratio for say COBRA?
The irrational obsession with denigrating Monty is indeed a great puzzles
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Also Market Garden was a big fail and was a really dumb plan. It diverted/wasted a lot of resources. Plus it slowed Patton’s advance into Germany. Allies could afford loss of material but not the main thing this operation wasted.
Patton failed/stalled completely at Metz and it showed that when the Germans turned and fought he was not as good as he thought he was.
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If Patton was such a horrible general why did the Germans fear him so much? I would vote for Monty only because every battle he had a huge numerical advantage and casualties were rather high. Herman Goering was a great pilot but a poor leader as head of the German air force. Walter Modell was right behind him though. Nagumo was overrated for the Japanese. Should’ve kept going at Pearl and ostensibly lost the war for the Japanese at Midway.
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If Patton was such a horrible general why did the Germans fear him so much?
There is no proof they feared him.
I would vote for Monty only because every battle he had a huge numerical advantage and casualties were rather high.
Monty’s casualties were not ‘high’ and name me 1 Allied General who did not have a huge numerical advantage.
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There is proof watch A bridge too far or Patton for that matter. I highly doubt that would’ve been put in there had it been untrue. I get the fact in Patton they are trying to glamorize him but in A bridge too far the German generals were convinced Patton would lead the charge into Holland. It is also in the book A bridge too far by Ryan. It’s the way it was accept it. BTW when the Germans were winning they had numerical superiority as well.
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There is proof watch A bridge too far or Patton for that matter.
Really?
Is that what you call proof?see
http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/106656
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Dr. Lazarus is overrated.
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Read about the Normandy invasion. We built a fictional army in England around Patton for the reason I just described. The Germans were convinced the Allies would have their best general Patton lead the allied invasion at Calais. Get in the last word because I know you will but I am right on this one.
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Oh no. Here we go again. We have 13 pages of debate on this right here:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=16779.0
And that includes an elaborate discussion about Montgomery versus Patton.
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