PanzerStahl vs barnee EXP

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm I will not scramble. This is the one part of the mod i don’t like. I think it could be improved.

I understand the blokes had radar early, so I can kinda see being able to vector your Ftrs where you want, but unless you have overwhelming Air Superiority, you’re probably only gonna hit one target.

I also think Undg Fctrys should take some damage. Maybe up to half and round up to the Fctrys favor.

Also think Air Battle shouldn’t be complete victory. Maybe 2 or 3 Rds max.

Would have to test it all but … :)

Anyway, I’m tempted to intercept the Bmbrs but i will not scramble and rely on my AA Gunners :)

[barnee]

I ran out your Combats in local and the Arty boosted a Inf to 3 and the Oberst then boosted it to two 3’s which would be correct.

I’ll make a note of it in Notes. I would still go with Oberst 3 though in that situation as the boosted units are picked somewhat arbitrarily.

In this instance with the Arty it works but if no Arty and you had a Pnzrgrndr and 2 Inf and placed a 2, it wouldn’t.

2 for all Inf, 3 for anything that has something other than Inf but no Pnzr and 4 if at least 1 Pnzr.

Generally you want to try and have all your Armies with 1 Pnzr per Army by mid to late Game. Makes them the most effective obviously, but easier said than done in my experience :)

For instance

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm I tried an Air Battle in Edit and it sadly doesn’t work. It asks for Attackers casualties first.

Too bad. Will have to be done with dicebot. Do you have any java coding skills ? Mine are basically non existent.

It might be something simple to fix is why I ask. Then again, maybe not.

Maybe I’ll try and compile the code again so i at least have a starting point. Idk, even if I found a fix it would be ignored by the triplea dictator.

Whatever, we’ll just have to work with what we have, although asvitkine on git been doing some fixes lately. He’s pretty cool.

You’d have todo a feature request at the triplea or git site if you were interested though and that will most likely be ignored too lol

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm so in a hypothetical Air Battle using your Attack as an example:

Germany Attacks UK Fctry with 2 Bmbrs and 2 Ftr Ecrt
2 Escort @ A3 [dice 2d6<=3]
2 Bmbr @ 1 A1 [dice 2d6<=1]

UK Defends with 2 Ftrs against the Fctry Attack
2 Intercpt @ 4 D4 [dice 2d6<=4]

Germany Attacks AB with 2 Tacs

No Intercept

[dicebot]

2d6<=3: 6, 5; Hits: 0
2d6<=1: 5, 1; Hits: 1
2d6<=4: 4, 1; Hits: 2

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm so the 2 Escorts didn’t hit anything but the BadAss Commander of the Bmbr wing was able to allow his wingman to knock down a bloke inteceptor, although not before he got a kill on one of the Escorts and his wingman downed the other or did he ?

Jerry can take a Bmbr(s) or a Ftr(s)as casualties. If he takes the Ftrs, that leaves 2 Bmbrs A@1 against 1 Ftr D@4 or 1 Ftr A@3 1 Bmbr A@1 against 1 UK Ftr D@4 if he takes a Bmbr and a Ftr as a hit. Or he can have 2 Ftrs A@3 if he takes his Bmbrs as a hit or he can retreat.

UK can also retreat with his remaining Interceptor or continue to Defend his Sovereign’s Air Space.

The Attacker must declare his decision first. In this example Germany takes 1 Escort and 1 Bmbr as a loss and press the Attack.

Air Battle Rd 2

Germany
1 Ecrt @ A3 [dice 1d6<=3]
1 Bmbr @ A1 [dice 1d6<=1]

UK
1 Intrcpt @ D4 [dice 1d6<=4]

[dicebot]

1d6<=3: 4; Hits: 0
1d6<=1: 4; Hits: 0
1d6<=4: 5; Hits: 0

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm

No hits as the experienced pilots from both sides mix it up.

Neither will retreat and the Air Battle continues.

Air Battle Rd 3

Germany
1 Ecrt @ A3 [dice 1d6<=3]
1 Bmbr @ A1 [dice 1d6<=1]

UK
1 Intrcpt @ D4 [dice 1d6<=4]

[dicebot]

1d6<=3: 5; Hits: 0
1d6<=1: 6; Hits: 0
1d6<=4: 4; Hits: 1

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm

The RAF score another hit and the Luftwaffe none. Jerry takes a Ftr as a loss and retreats his Bmbr.

This would all be done at the End of CM and then edit the correct results before Combat. The Tacs will bomb the AB in normal Combat unopposed other than AA Fire.

That is how i see it playing out but it’s still new to me as well :) Too bad Edit doesn’t work. Whatever, you can go back and redo at any stage of the Battle with Dicebot a lot easier than Edit. :)

I know @The-Captain is busy with the Tournament, but I will ping him anyway. :)

When you get a chance Captain, will you verify the above is correct. End of CM is so the results can be edited before Combat in triplea.

Thanks

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm yea so your Waffen Army needs to be Formed at the Start of CM in order to be Active.

It looks like you moved 1st Waffen from his Box to POL it needs to deploy with AG Center since it’s a part of it.

Your purchases would create Waffen 2 in G after 1st Place. Inf, Arty, Pnzrgrndr and Oberst. Before CM you would want to update Waffen 2 Obert in Germany to Oerst3 and use them to Attack POL.

No need to move to the Box as they are attacking that phase.

I will redo turn so you see the correct moves.

No worries :) Your first Game. We’re learning together :)

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee ok, ubderstood reagrding the Waffen-Oberst and how to use them.
Regarding the SBR - I will go and change the target to factory only (so 2 bombers + 2 tacticals bombing factory only) I will also add the fighter who is attacking in SZ104 to make it 3 fighter as escort to London. This will make your descicion easier not to intercept. Only if that is ok for you. Otherwise I will keep it as it is.
Regarding the underground factory and taking damage - nit sure if that would overcomplicate the game. Underground factories are meant to be protected. In the area where I come from was a factory for torpedos drilled in the mountain. Pretty sure that even today no bomb will cause any harm to that factory.

I am on the way to an event from the kibdergarten today, so i will complete my G5 only later on. Bit you will have my move when you get up. (what time is it no where you live anyways? )

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm yea you can keep bombing raid on london as is.

I just finished recreating your CM. A ton of Edit as I was trying to be exact but should be close enough. :)

The big takeaway is the Formation of 2nd SS. You could use Edit during place and remove and Place to the box, but since CM coming up, I just left them in Germany and then moved 2nd Waffen Token in Edit .

So 2nd Waffen consists of Oberst3 ( will boost either Arty or Pnzrgrndr ) Inf, Pnzrgrndr and Arty. All Waffen of course :)

EXP Game 1 Stahl G 5 Redo Move Test.tsvg

I’m starting to fry heavily . 2:50 am here. Have a Fun day with your Family :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm yea so the Tacs can’t Bomb the Fctry and they can’t Escort so, you can leave as is or i think you said another Ftr/Escrt ?

Either way, it’s still a pretty strong move as is but an extra Escort would help unless he’s going to africa :)

Sorry I’m gonna go regenerate. i hope 7of 9 will be too lol

P Out

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm last one :)

Yea just leave SBR as is no scramble.

I was just trying to figure out how it would work with the example earlier, as in the past i defaulted to triplea mode but that isn’t rule compliant :)

[The Captain]

@barnee

Hi barnee - what is the question that I must confirm ?

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Too many options, too little IPCs…

Game History

Round: 5

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Note to players Germans: <body><b>It is Early 1942 and Our Waffen Infantry Divisions are Reforming as Panzer Grenadiers.<br><br>4 Divisions are Now Available in Berlin.<b></body>
        Trigger WaffenPnzrGrndr: buyWaffenPnzrGrndr added to productionGermans
        triggerAttachmenEarly1942Red: has removed 1 Early1942 owned by Changer in Early 1942
        triggerAttachmenLate1941: has removed 1 Late1941_red owned by Changer in Late 1941
        triggerAttachmenEarly1942Red: Changer has 1 Early1942_red placed in Early 1942
        triggerAttachmenLate1941: Changer has 1 Late1941 placed in Late 1941
        Germans buy 1 GermanUBoat, 1 Panzer_Grndrs, 1 WaffenPnzrGrndr, 1 Waffen_Oberst, 1 air_transport, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 elite, 9 infantry, 2 mine_unarmeds and 1 waffen_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Place Units - Germans
        Units in Germany being upgraded or consumed: 1 Panzer_Grndrs, 1 infantry and 1 waffen_infantry
        1 WaffenPnzrGrndr, 1 Waffen_Oberst and 1 waffen_infantry placed in Germany

    Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceGermans: Germans has 2 Rails placed in Germany
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 Waffen_Oberst
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 1 Waffen_Oberst_3
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Army Group Centre: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Romania: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Romania: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Army Group Centre: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 WaffenPnzrGrndr, 1 Waffen_Arty, 1 Waffen_Oberst_3 and 1 waffen_infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 artillery, 1 elite and 3 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        EDIT: 1 2ndWaffenArmy moved from 2nd Waffen to Poland
        EDIT: 1 1stPanzerArmy, 1 1stWaffenArmy, 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 German_Engineer, 2 armour, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Army Group Centre to Bessarabia
        EDIT: 1 Panzer_General3 and 5 armour moved from 1st Panzer to Bessarabia
        EDIT: 1 Waffen_Arty, 1 Waffen_Oberst and 2 waffen_infantrys moved from 1st Waffen to Bessarabia
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        3 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bulgaria
        1 ArmyGroupCentre moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        1 artillery, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
        1 GermanUBoat moved from 110 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
        1 bomber and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Norway
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom

    Combat - Germans
        Air Battle in United Kingdom
            Germans attacks with 7 units heading to United Kingdom
            Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
        Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom
            1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans killed by AA in United Kingdom
            Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 7,6 and causes: 13 damage to unit: factory_major
            Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 1 and causes: 1 damage to unit: airfield
            Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 14 damage total.  Damaged units is as follows: factory_major = 13, airfield = 1
        Battle in 104 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 GermanUBoat and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
            Germans win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 GermanUBoat
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Bessarabia
            Germans attack with 1 1stPanzerArmy, 1 1stWaffenArmy, 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 ArmyGroupCentre, 1 German_Engineer, 1 Panzer_General3, 1 Waffen_Arty, 1 Waffen_Oberst, 7 armour, 4 artilleries, 13 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 waffen_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
            Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 1stPanzerArmy, 1 1stWaffenArmy, 1 ArmyGroupActive, 1 ArmyGroupCentre, 1 German_Engineer, 1 Panzer_General3, 1 Waffen_Arty, 1 Waffen_Oberst, 7 armour, 4 artilleries, 13 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 waffen_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Eastern Poland
            Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
            Russians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Battle in Norway
            EDIT: Germans attack with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: British defend with 1 uk_para
            EDIT: 1 uk_para owned by the British lost in Norway
            EDIT: Germans takes Norway from British
            EDIT: Germans win
            EDIT: Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 4
        EDIT: Battle in Bulgaria
            EDIT: Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry
            EDIT: Russians defend with 1 russian_para
            EDIT: 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bulgaria
            EDIT: 1 russian_para owned by the Russians lost in Bulgaria
            EDIT: Germans takes Bulgaria from Russians
            EDIT: Germans win
            EDIT: Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 1
        EDIT: Battle in Poland
            EDIT: Germans attack with 1 2ndWaffenArmy, 1 WaffenPnzrGrndr, 1 Waffen_Arty, 1 Waffen_Oberst_3, 1 artillery, 1 elite, 3 infantry and 1 waffen_infantry
            EDIT: Russians defend with 3 russian_paras
            EDIT: 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland
            EDIT: 3 russian_paras owned by the Russians lost in Poland
            EDIT: Germans takes Poland from Russians
            EDIT: Germans win
            EDIT: Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 9
        EDIT: Recording Battle Statistics
        EDIT: Cleaning up after air battles

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        EDIT: Trigger Germans RemoveWolfpackSZ110: has removed 1 Wolfpack owned by Germans in 110 Sea Zone
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveGermansItalyTakeover: has removed 1 Rail owned by Germans in Slovakia Hungary
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveGermansItalyTakeover: has removed 1 Rail owned by Germans in Normandy Bordeaux
        Trigger Urals Tank Unit: Russians has 1 armour placed in Urals
        EDIT: 2 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany
        EDIT: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Trans-Jordan
        EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        EDIT: 3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        EDIT: 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 tactical_bomber moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 2 German_LCVs, 3 aaGuns and 1 waffen_infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        EDIT: 1 air_transport and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Egypt
        EDIT: 1 Panzer_Grndrs moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 Rail moved from Germany to Denmark
        1 Rail and 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 Rail moved from Germany to Denmark
        1 Rail and 1 artillery moved from Denmark to Slovakia Hungary
        2 GermanUBoats moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 Waffen_Arty, 1 Waffen_Oberst and 2 waffen_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to 1st Waffen
        EDIT: 1 Panzer_General3 and 5 armour moved from Bessarabia to 1st Panzer
        EDIT: 1 ArmyGroupActive moved from Bessarabia to Army Group Centre
        EDIT: 1 1stPanzerArmy and 1 1stWaffenArmy moved from Bessarabia to Army Group Centre
        EDIT: 2 armour, 3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Army Group Centre
        EDIT: 1 WaffenPnzrGrndr, 1 Waffen_Arty and 1 waffen_infantry moved from Poland to 2nd Waffen
        EDIT: 1 Waffen_Oberst_3 moved from Poland to 2nd Waffen
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        1 air_transport, 1 bomber and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
        2 infantry and 1 mine_unarmed placed in France
        1 Panzer_Grndrs, 1 artillery, 1 elite, 6 infantry and 1 mine_unarmed placed in Germany
        Germans undo move 3.
        1 Panzer_Grndrs, 1 artillery, 1 elite, 6 infantry and 1 mine_unarmed placed in Germany
        Germans undo move 2.
        2 infantry placed in France
        1 mine_unarmed placed in Germany
        Germans undo move 2.
        1 artillery placed in France
        1 Panzer_Grndrs, 1 elite, 6 infantry and 1 mine_unarmed placed in Germany
        1 GermanUBoat placed in 112 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 112 Sea Zone: 1 Wolfpack
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
        Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs
        Trigger Germans AdvancedProduction: Germans met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

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[barnee]

Hi @The-Captain I have two.

Waffen Arty can’t support an Oberst inside a waffen Army but it can support Inf, Pnzrgrndr and Para Correct ?

So this would be the only times the Arty would need to deactivate ?

So unless you just had Panzers and Arty in the Army, probably rare occurrence, you wouldn’t need to deactivate the Arty.
However, if you had an Arty outside the Army with nothing to support, you’d need to deactivate.

So a Waffen Artillery outside of a Waffen Army Cannot support Any Units inside the Army ?

The other is my example of an Air battle using dicebot a little earlier in this thread. Should start around here

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40192/panzerstahl-vs-barnee-exp/143?page=6

Thanks

Hope the tournament going well :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Nice ! Everything looking Good ! :+1: Well except for you Bombing the hell out of the London Fctry :)

But that Badass in E POL is getting promoted by stalin. lol

I’ll try and have russia out in a bit

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Now that’s what I call some overflow lol

Just checking the odds. Needless to say, not in ivan’s favor lol