BM 23 Playoff Final Gamerman (L+4) vs Farmboy (X)

[farmboy]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 3

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 infantry, 10 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Germans
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour moved from Poland to Novgorod
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
              Germans take Novgorod from Russians
        1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
              Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
              Germans take Vyborg from Russians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux

    Combat - Germans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[farmboy]

@farmboy need scramble orders for 109 and will likely need casualty choice for normandy

[farmboy]

@farmboy also very annoyed that i put that sub in 108 and not 118. For some reason I thought it was more than 3 spaces away from the French.

[gamerman01]

It was a hard decision. I had a different good option, didn’t want it to go to 110 and disrupt the NO yet again

[gamerman01]

No way on the scramble

I don’t want to give this OOL in advance. I’ll be away from my computer for an hour or 2

[farmboy]

@gamerman01 2 first round hits. My thinking that that is good enough to assume max d going forward and that you won’t want to conserve the AA.

[farmboy]

@farmboy but I’ll wait. I’m off too.

[gamerman01]

Incorrect. If you kill everything but the AA, your units get sucked in to Normandy, and depending on the dice I might have just wanted that.

With 2 hits, take AA and French infantry.

Next would be French arty

[gamerman01]

Oh, I suppose you meant with 2 hits, that’s your thinking. Still, be careful to assume, I take unconventional casualties and do unconventional scrambles from time to time

[farmboy]

@gamerman01 In this case because you don’t have a counter (unless you use allied air) I figured you wouldn’t want to draw me in. My goal was to take it. But my odds were around 94% so there was a possibility that you would win. And I thought you might be interested in conserving the AA if I was doing poorly.

[farmboy]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 infantry, 10 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Germans
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour moved from Poland to Novgorod
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
              Germans take Novgorod from Russians
        1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
              Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
              Germans take Vyborg from Russians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 109 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 109 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking 109 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry; French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                1 aaGun owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 4/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                1 infantry owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
            Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 109 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        2 bombers moved from 109 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 aaGun moved from France to Holland Belgium
        1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Western Germany
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
        1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 24 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Romania
        1 aaGun, 1 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        8 armour and 11 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States

    Place Units - Germans
        1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Western Germany
        10 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Baltic States: 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Eastern Poland: 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 53 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 0.33
Russians regular : -0.17
Germans regular : 1.00

Savegame

[gamerman01]

Not a big deal here, just trying to avert future misunderstandings.

If you did poorly, and finally hit everything but 1 unit, I might have saved the AA and drew in remaining units

The mech would be farther from Russia, and the slow would be 2 spaces from West Germany and North Italy, and that could be a factor too. I generally don’t like giving advance OOL’s, especially when my opponent won’t have to wait long. Sometimes anticipating all the possible OOL’s in advance make my brain hurt and I shouldn’t have to do them - advance OOL’s are a courtesy to the playing player and don’t benefit the defender

[gamerman01]

Woohoo, I got 2 out of 5 hits AND your units are drawn in? Victory!! :joy:

[gamerman01]

R3.tsvg

[farmboy]

@gamerman01 All sounds fine to me. And I get that an OOL in advance is a favour to the attacking player. I don’t mind waiting. In this case I wasn’t asking for OOL in advance, just letting you know that I might need it once i rolled. I was assuming though that if I had a decent roll, that it was safer to assume a max D situation. I’ll be sure to ask if I think there is any uncertainty, and if I make that assumption in the future and I get it wrong, I’ll defer to you in how we correct that.

[farmboy]

I suppose one could play where they try to soften the allies in Normandy but avoid taking it to keep it French. But that hadn’t occurred to me at that point. I just wanted to take it, avoid using air, and was annoyed that I didn’t have one more land unit in range.

[farmboy]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 3

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 3 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Politics - Japanese
        Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
        Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
        Trigger Russians Allied Americans 5: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - Japanese
        Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
              Japanese take Amur from Russians
        4 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
              Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Shan State
              Japanese take Shan State from UK_Pacific
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
        1 marine moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Jehol to 19 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 marine moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Burma
        1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Burma
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kwangtung
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Burma
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Burma
        1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Philippines
        1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Burma

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Java
        Battle in Borneo
        Battle in Celebes
        Battle in 39 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 submarine
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 39 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Celebes from Dutch, taking 39 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in Malaya
        Battle in Philippines
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Philippines, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Philippines
                2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
            Japanese win, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific, taking Philippines from Americans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Burma
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 aaGun and 3 infantry; ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                British roll AA dice in Burma : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 2 : 4/10 hits, 5.00 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : -0.17
British AA : -0.50

Savegame

[farmboy]

@farmboy 4 hits on Burma. Save the AA or an inf?

[gamerman01]

@farmboy said in BM 23 Playoff Final Gamerman (L+4) vs Farmboy (X):

I suppose one could play where they try to soften the allies in Normandy but avoid taking it to keep it French. But that hadn’t occurred to me at that point. I just wanted to take it, avoid using air, and was annoyed that I didn’t have one more land unit in range.

I generally don’t like the idea of keeping Normandy blue. It lets the USA land air there immediately, and it does have a naval base. You can usually keep the US from holding it for a turn anyway. Furthermore, US can collect 5 while only taking Holland or South France if Normandy is French. And then there’s whatever allied units are there… And then, obviously, the 2 IPC’s per turn. That’s a lotta negatives

[gamerman01]

After considering a multitude of factors…

Save the UK infantry