PtV League ArtOfWar1947 (Allies) vs. Nikola1975 (Axis +5)

[nikola1975]

@artofwar1947 Wait! Don’t go yet! Party in Moscow is just about to start :)

[nikola1975]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 16

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 16

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Hunan to Kwangtung
        1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Kwangtung
        1 armour moved from French Indo China to Kwangtung
        1 armour moved from Hunan to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 37 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Borneo
        1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 35 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 37 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
        1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
        1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Shantung
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Shantung
        1 fighter moved from Japan to Kiangsu
        1 armour moved from French Indo China to Shan State
              Japanese take Shan State from UK_Pacific
        1 armour moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
        1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
        2 destroyers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Shantung
        1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Borneo
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the British lost in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 1 transport
        Battle in Kwangtung
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kwangtung
            Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kiangsu
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kiangsu, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Kiangsu, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Kiangsu
            Japanese win, taking Kiangsu from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Yunnan
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
            Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Shantung
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shantung, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Shantung, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Shantung
            Japanese win, taking Shantung from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shantung to 20 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to 20 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 fighter placed in Japan
        3 infantry placed in Southern Manchuria
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Malaya
        2 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.00
Japanese regular : 0.83
UK_Pacific regular : 0.67

Savegame

[ArtofWar1947]

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 16

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 16

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Midway to 25 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Midway to 25 Sea Zone
        6 carriers, 9 destroyers, 8 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 9 submarines and 1 transport moved from 25 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 116 Sea Zone
        5 fighters moved from 113 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 116 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Denmark
        2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
        9 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Denmark
        Battle in Caroline Islands
        Battle in 116 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 10 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers, 6 submarines and 1 transport
            6 submarines owned by the Germans submerged
                Americans roll dice for 10 fighters in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 5.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers and 1 transport in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                2 destroyers owned by the Germans, 1 carrier owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 116 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 8 fighters in 116 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/8 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport in 116 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                2 destroyers owned by the Germans lost in 116 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 8 fighters in 116 Sea Zone, round 4 : 3/8 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 116 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans, 2 fighters owned by the Americans, 1 transport owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the Germans lost in 116 Sea Zone
            Americans win, taking Denmark from Germans, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 43
            Casualties for Americans: 4 fighters
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers and 1 transport
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Americans attack with 9 fighters and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 9 fighters and 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 7/11 hits, 4.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium
            Americans win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 9 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        3 carriers, 1 cruiser, 5 destroyers and 3 submarines moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        6 fighters moved from 116 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        9 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 113 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 armour and 1 fighter moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus

    Place Units - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 27 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Hawaiian Islands: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 34 Sea Zone: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Hawaiian Islands: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 34 Sea Zone: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 27 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Hawaiian Islands: 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Western United States: 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 11 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        3 fighters and 2 infantry placed in Eastern United States
        1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 11 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 113 Sea Zone: 2 submarines
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 94 Sea Zone: 2 submarines
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 81 PUs
        Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 96 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hopei

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Hopei
            Chinese attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Hopei, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Hopei, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery in Hopei, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Hopei, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei
            Chinese win, taking Hopei from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery

    Non Combat Move - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        3 infantry placed in Kiangsi

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 7 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 117 Sea Zone to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
              UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        3 fighters moved from Eastern India to Yunnan

    Combat - British
        Battle in Germany
            British captures 78PUs while taking Germans capital
            British converts factory_major into different units
        Battle in Yunnan
            British attack with 3 fighters and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                British roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
            British win, taking Germany from Germans with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
        triggerGermansDestroyPUsBritish: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to Germans

    Non Combat Move - British
        3 fighters moved from Yunnan to Eastern India
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Eastern India to Burma
        1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus
        2 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia

    Place Units - British
        1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry placed in Iraq
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Egypt

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 40 PUs; end with 118 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 121 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 124 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 127 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in Eastern India
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Trans-Jordan: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Iraq: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 21 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2
        UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 9 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 12 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.83
Americans regular : -0.83
Japanese regular : 1.67
Germans regular : -2.00
British regular : -0.67

Savegame

[nikola1975]

@artofwar1947 Well, I guess that is it. Extremely well played, congratulations! Especially if you intended to lure me to the East in order to march into Berlin in this way.

I would be interested to hear your opinion on what were the mistakes I made? I still have to learn a lot and any opinion you might have would be much appreciated.

[ArtofWar1947]

@nikola1975

Thanks for an interesting and challenging game.

The Russians were always in trouble if Germany concentrated it land and air forces. This why the Allies kept up the pressure in the west. When the US and UK both have TTs in SZ 113, special care needs to be taken to defend Germany.

I am still not sure of a J-1 attack, because brings the US into the war on Round 1 and immediately gives the US bonuses.

But that said, the Japanese held sway in the Pacific until the second attack on the US/ANZAC Pacific fleet. The tide began to turn. This tactical victory turned into a strategic disadvantage because all of Japan’s BB and one of its few remaining CAs was left open to attack. The lost was compounded by the loss of two scrambled fighters. It might have been a good idea to have save at least one or even two the aircraft carriers and taken the hits on the attacking fighters and tacs. With the supporting CVs in the adjacent SZ and scrambled fighters from them, the Japanese may have been able to keep their BB-based fleet in tact.

The tide further turned with the unnecessary lost of the 4 TTs at the Marshall Islands.

[nikola1975]

@artofwar1947 Yes, you are right, Marshall Island loss was a huge blow. Not sure though it was a decisive on its own, it had probably worsened situation enough for the Axis.

I was trying J1 attacks with a simple logic, let me try to explain and hear what you think:

1. Attacking in round 1 does give US 20 extra IPC and takes away Japanese bonus, but killing US fleet at Hawaii, fighter on Philipines and destroyer+sub there, is almost there.
2. US is in the war immediately, that is true, but Germans don’t have to worry about it, as US has to focus on Pacific. If they don’t, Japan becomes too strong. Meaning there is no disadvantage for European side of the map, US probably is not really there before round 4.

On the other hand, it does stretch Japan a bit and China becomes a problem, which has proven in this game as well.

Would you like a rematch, we can turn sides with the same +5 bid for you?

[ArtofWar1947]

@nikola1975

You make a good argument for a J-1 strategy. I would check the games of the best players to see if they have adopted J-1. If so, this strengthens your case. If not, why not? Are they winning with a J-2 or J-3?

A rematch with same +5 bid sounds good. I try and set up the game today. My play will probably be slower as the playoff have begun.

[nikola1975]

@artofwar1947 This is true, probably I am in a big minority with J1. Maybe though I am to something new and creative, who knows :) I will take a look at other plays.

Don’t rush with a rematch, set it up and we’ll start slowly. Who do you play with? I play Avner, PtV.

[ArtofWar1947]

@nikola1975

I’ll try to get it set up tonight. Playing 666 in PO.

[nikola1975]

@artofwar1947 He is very good I think. I played him some time ago, could not even get anything near to a success. But, you are better then me, so good luck!

[ArtofWar1947]

@nikola1975

Yes, 666 is very good. I will need to be careful.