CRU, CRU + French FTR (keeping BB-hit alive)
L21 #1 trulpen (X+12) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V
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Another point is that if the cr is sunk, then the marine goes down with it.
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Recreating the battle.
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Good point; I had not thought of that.
If that comes to pass, let’s check the original rolls to see if a 2 got a hit. No issue if all the hits come from 3s.
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 9
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 9 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy nothing; Remaining resources: 91 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Eastern India 1 destroyer moved from 50 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese UK_Pacific scrambles 3 units out of Eastern India to defend against the attack in 40 Sea Zone UK_Pacific scrambles to create a battle in territory 40 Sea Zone Battle in 40 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport British defend with 2 fighters; ANZAC defend with 1 fighter 1 submarine owned by the Japanese submerged Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 40 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits British roll dice for 3 fighters in 40 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 2,00 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the ANZAC and 1 carrier owned by the Japanese lost in 40 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 40 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits British roll dice for 2 fighters in 40 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1,33 expected hits 2 fighters owned by the British lost in 40 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 40 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter Casualties for British: 2 fightersCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Japanese regular : -0,33 British regular : -1,33 -
2 hits for UK in round 1 (would’ve adjusted if other number), but none in round 2. Have to check the original battle, since I think there were hits from your air in round 2. If there were 2 hits there, I’ll roll 1d2 for if the second hit. Would be a hit on 1 and miss on 2. 1 hit wouldn’t have mattered, since I sank the ac and the tac will die anyway.
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I redid the battle already and don’t seem to have the information left from battle-round 1, but I’m fairly certain that there were 1 hit from land and 2 hits from air there.
What we see in the saved file is actually battle-round 2, although it says 1 because of the correction.
Hmm, I’m a bit uncertain now however. Before I roll for the second air, I’d like to clarify if I should roll that or not. Like there are two principles in conflict here, a) keep rolled dice and b) choice of scramble should not be made with information about dice.
Since I made the screw-up, I’m prepared to let go of b) if you prefer that. I know you didn’t base your decision on rolls, but rather the strategical finess of the situation.
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The amphi is on no matter what, but the fig is at stake. I’ll go on and make the roll, and then you may decide how it should be treated if it’s a 1.
[dice 1d2<=1]
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1d2<=1: 2; Hits: 0
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Ok, it was a miss anyway. 1 hit for UK in round 2.
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Yes, 2 of 3 UK fighters hit in the second round of the original battle. So 1 of the 2 surviving fighters should definitely get credit for a hit, which goes on the doomed Tac any way. What we don’t know is if the second surviving UK fighter was responsible for the second original hit. So you suggestion of another UK roll is justified.
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The probability of the second surviving fighter gettin g the original hit is 50%. The dice roll should have <=3. So 2 is a hit. The J. fighter should die for the sake of saving the CA and maine.
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@artofwar1947 said in L21 #1 trulpen (X+12) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V:
The probability of the second surviving fighter gettin g the original hit is 50%. The dice roll should have <=3. So 2 is a hit. The J. fighter should die for the sake of saving the CA and maine.
You have to look closely. I rolled a 2-sided die. :)
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Of course.
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The tac that attacked land auto-dies and the tac at sea is taken as casualty. I’ll fix the NCMs and repost.
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J keeps the second sb though.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 9
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 9 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Eastern India: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Java: 1 artillery and 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 1 bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad Japanese take Stalingrad from Russians 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Northern Caucasus Japanese take Northern Caucasus from Russians 1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Solomon Islands to 55 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 49 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway 2 infantry moved from 24 Sea Zone to Wake Island 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 32 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 50 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Eastern India Combat - Japanese Battle in Gilbert Islands Battle in Midway Battle in Wake Island Battle in Eastern India Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 2 fighters; ANZAC defend with 1 fighter; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers in Eastern India, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 3 fighters in Eastern India, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 2,00 expected hits 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese, 1 fighter owned by the ANZAC and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Eastern India Japanese captures 8PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital Japanese converts factory_major into different units Japanese win, taking Gilbert Islands from UK_Pacific, taking Midway from Americans, taking Wake Island from Americans, taking Eastern India from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Japanese: 2 tactical_bombers Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter Casualties for British: 2 fighters Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Eastern India: 1 bomber EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Eastern India: 1 tactical_bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in 32 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 cruiser Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 32 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/7 hits, 3,83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 32 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Americans lost in 32 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser triggerUKPacificDestroyPUsJapanese: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to UK_Pacific Trigger Japanese Destroy Factories Stalingrad: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Japanese in Stalingrad Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger Stalingrad Has Fallen to Japanese Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Stalingrad_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed_Japanese attached to Japanese 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 3 carriers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 3 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Britain to 47 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Guinea to 47 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 47 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 64 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 38 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 47 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Yunnan 1 aaGun and 18 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 9 artilleries moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 2 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Northern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Western Sinkiang to Kazakhstan 1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Western Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Northern Sinkiang 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Urals to Northern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Kansu to Northern Sinkiang 2 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Eastern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Inner Mongolia 1 infantry moved from Honan to Tsinghai 3 infantry moved from Hopei to Tsinghai 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Honan 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Hopei 2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hopei 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 32 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 49 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 55 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 40 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 1 marine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 2 bombers EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 40 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 1 tactical_bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Shantung 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Japan 1 carrier and 3 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 80 PUs; end with 88 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 91 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 96 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 101 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 106 PUs Objective Japanese 2 Strategic Defense Perimeter: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 111 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0,50 Japanese regular : 2,00 UK_Pacific regular : 0,00 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 9
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 9 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Eastern India: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Java: 1 artillery and 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 1 bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad Japanese take Stalingrad from Russians 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Northern Caucasus Japanese take Northern Caucasus from Russians 1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Solomon Islands to 55 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 49 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway 2 infantry moved from 24 Sea Zone to Wake Island 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 32 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 50 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Eastern India Combat - Japanese Battle in Gilbert Islands Battle in Midway Battle in Wake Island Battle in Eastern India Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 2 fighters; ANZAC defend with 1 fighter; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers in Eastern India, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 3 fighters in Eastern India, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 2,00 expected hits 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese, 1 fighter owned by the ANZAC and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Eastern India Japanese captures 8PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital Japanese converts factory_major into different units Japanese win, taking Gilbert Islands from UK_Pacific, taking Midway from Americans, taking Wake Island from Americans, taking Eastern India from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Japanese: 2 tactical_bombers Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter Casualties for British: 2 fighters Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Eastern India: 1 bomber EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Eastern India: 1 tactical_bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in 32 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 cruiser Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 32 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/7 hits, 3,83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 32 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Americans lost in 32 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser triggerUKPacificDestroyPUsJapanese: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to UK_Pacific Trigger Japanese Destroy Factories Stalingrad: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Japanese in Stalingrad Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Trigger Stalingrad Has Fallen to Japanese Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Stalingrad_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed_Japanese attached to Japanese 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 3 carriers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 3 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Britain to 47 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Guinea to 47 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 47 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 64 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 38 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 47 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Yunnan 1 aaGun and 18 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 9 artilleries moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 2 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Northern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Western Sinkiang to Kazakhstan 1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Western Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Northern Sinkiang 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Urals to Northern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Kansu to Northern Sinkiang 2 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Eastern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Inner Mongolia 1 infantry moved from Honan to Tsinghai 3 infantry moved from Hopei to Tsinghai 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Honan 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Hopei 2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hopei 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 32 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 49 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 55 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 40 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 1 marine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 2 bombers EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 40 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 1 tactical_bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Shantung 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Japan 1 carrier and 3 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 80 PUs; end with 88 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 91 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 96 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 101 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 106 PUs Objective Japanese 2 Strategic Defense Perimeter: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 111 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Eastern India: 1 artillery EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0,50 Japanese regular : 2,00 UK_Pacific regular : 0,00 -
Missed and art that also survived.
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Think this is correct. Please check and confirm.
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Only the 3 fighters survived to fight again. So J. should have only a single casualty for the land battle.
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