L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16)

[Pejon_88]

@Amon-Sul I think I needed to be at war in the Pacific theatre. Maybe @wheatbeer can confirm? All other allies could pick them up as soon as you declared war on the neutrals.

[gamerman01]

Right, right, this is what happens when I don’t play regularly -
Because of DOW restrictions on Russia in the Pacific map, Russia can’t leave original Russian territories in that area of the map if not at war on the Pacific map, which would mean declaring war on Japan - thanks, Wheat

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 carrier, 5 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Siberia
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State
              Japanese take Shan State from UK_Pacific
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hopei
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter moved from Siam to 41 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Paulau Island to 45 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Paulau Island to 54 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Paulau Island to 45 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Szechwan
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Hopei
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Kiangsu to Kwangtung
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangtung
        1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
        4 destroyers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Borneo
        Battle in Celebes
        Battle in Siberia
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Celebes from Dutch, taking Siberia from Russians with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in 45 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 45 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 4 destroyers
            ANZAC defend with 1 cruiser
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 4 destroyers in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the ANZAC lost in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 54 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 4 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier and 1 transport
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier and 1 transport in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Korea
            Japanese attack with 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser in Korea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Korea, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Korea, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Korea
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Korea
            Japanese win, taking Korea from Russians with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in 62 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            1 submarine owned by the ANZAC submerged
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 62 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 62 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 62 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 62 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 62 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 37 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 37 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Java
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Java, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kwangtung
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangtung, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung
            Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Szechwan
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Szechwan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan
            Japanese win, taking Szechwan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Hopei
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
            Japanese win, taking Hopei from Chinese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Malaya

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to Siam
        1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Siam
        1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to Paulau Island
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Paulau Island to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 aaGun moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 fighter moved from Hopei to Anhwe
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to Jehol

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 infantry placed in Kiangsu
        2 infantry placed in Japan
        1 carrier and 2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUs
        Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 59 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.67
Japanese regular : -0.17
UK_Pacific regular : 0.33
ANZAC regular : 0.17
Russians regular : -0.33
British regular : -0.33

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

Triple allied move to go…

take ur time

I am eager to see what comes with allies 3rd move

cheers

[Amon-Sul]

I think I never had 30 IPC bonus from not attacking FIC xd

[Amon-Sul]

I never see early Russian help to China, besides myself I havent seen anybody doing it.

interesting

[Amon-Sul]

this is a very interesting game all in all

we ll see what comes.

i like it :)

pretty unpredictable ha

[wheatbeer]

@Amon-Sul said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

so just to know for future games…

1. if u hadnt declared war to Japan with Russia, U couldnt pick up Mongolian dudes with Russia?

2. But could U pick it up with (other) allies?

3. And could U pick it up with Russia without declaring war to Japan, once USA and UK are allied to Russia?

All of the following answers apply with the state of this game for Russia’s 3rd turn:

1. Correct because without doing so, Russia would not be at a state of war with Japan that turn
2. Correct (with the exception of China, which has its own restrictions)
3. Incorrect. Russia MUST be in a state of war with Japan to move any of its units to non-Russian territory on the Pacific map.

Below I’ve quoted the relevant bits from the rules, in case that helps.

Page 35 [Europe 1940 Rulebook, 2nd ed.] rules:

The Soviet Union, due to its separate treaties with Germany and Japan, was in a unique position in its relationship with the Axis powers. As a result, if the Soviet Union is at war with Axis powers on only one map, it is still under the restrictions of being a neutral power (see Powers That Begin the Game Neutral, pg. 15) on the other map. In other words, a state of war with Japan lifts those restrictions from the USSR on the Pacific map only, and a state of war with Germany and/or Italy lifts those restrictions on the Europe map only.

From page 15:

Neutral Powers: When a power is not at war with anyone, it is neutral. Powers that begin the game
neutral, such as the United States and the Soviet Union, aren’t initially part of the Allies or the Axis. The
Axis powers are on the opposite side of these neutral powers, but they are not yet considered enemies.
While a power remains neutral, it operates under even tighter restrictions. A neutral power can’t move
land or air units into or through neutral territories. It can’t move units into or through territories or onto
ships belonging to another power or use another power’s naval bases, nor can another power move
land or air units into or through its territories or onto its ships or use its naval bases.

[Amon-Sul]

thanks a lot wheatbeer.

this is rare case, but its good to have the rules clear 100 %

[Amon-Sul]

@Pejon_88

as for sz 54 battle i decided its totally unlogical for U to scramble,

but if U wish to try ur luck with those figs,

be my guest

[Pejon_88]

@Amon-Sul and @wheatbeer Thanks wheatbeer and yes very unusual and interesting game :)

Will look at it soon I hope. Have three other league games running too.

[Amon-Sul]

Happy New Year, and may the best dude wins!

P. S. I hope U re not angry I took Ur homeland.

I had to, 8 IPC is too much xd

[Pejon_88]

@Amon-Sul Happy new year to you too! I am very much looking forward to this game, don’t think otherwise it is just that I have three very intense games running which are all undecided right now. That is the only reason why I have not played for a while I thought since we just started and that this is for L21 you would not mind :)

With that said I will really try and play tomorrow!

Cheers!

[Pejon_88]

@Amon-Sul Haha Sweden! Maybe I need to punish the dudes in Yugoslavia a bit extra now ;)

[Pejon_88]

@Panther @gamerman01 Has any of you seen this before? Same error when I try and post in the thread. Have not had this issue before.

[Pejon_88]

I can confirm that this seems to be a problem for others as well: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36014/pejon_88-x-vs-simon33-allies-16-3rd-game/156?_=1609848813812

[Panther]

@pejon_88
I suppose the error is related to the recent update of the forum software.

There is a thread in the TripleA support category:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36329/java-error

[Pejon_88]

@panther Thanks!

[Amon-Sul]

it seems its a forum issue?

@Pejon_88
u can bypass it by manually copy pasteing the move here

and posting the map here manually

but if u cant dice, then its a problem

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul Oh right! I will do that instead until the issue is fixed :)