trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3

[trulpen]

@666 said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

I understand, just not sure how we get around this flaw? without asking for OOL?

One way is to restart the battle with edited causalties. A bit cumbersome, but possible. In this situation I guess max defense works quite fine.

[trulpen]

@JDOW said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

@trulpen said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

Thanks! 1940 atm.

Solid. Many people fail to understan how diffcult it is to get in the 1900-2000 range and how much work is required for that.

I once had a phase in which I tried to become a 2000+ player, motivated by the “crowd” of GMs that could support me, but I then lost the motivation when I realized how hard it is to progress in chess.

Thus I ended up playing A&A^^

Yes, definitely takes some studying, practise and experience. I mainly just play for fun, so also hobby level here. Tonight it’s a team match though with our prime team which is aspiring to win it’s division in the regional championship.

[666]

@trulpen, well the dice gods have blessed me, 5 sub hits and then 12 hits after that…continue with max D, here. I tipped your BB and 4 CV’s after the sub attack

[JDOW]

Insane. What was your attacking power? 63?

[666]

@JDOW said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

Insane. What was your attacking power? 63?

or maybe 73…right around there, yes insane and I will take it!

[trulpen]

@666 said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

@trulpen, well the dice gods have blessed me, 5 sub hits and then 12 hits after that…continue with max D, here. I tipped your BB and 4 CV’s after the sub attack

It’s not fair to roll like that! :( I’ve had too much of this, losing +90 % battles. Frustrating. I’ll likely roll -12 now as well.

Please post a manual by causalties. Makes it easier to assess.

As I understand it the causalties will be as follows for 12 hits:

3 sub
1 des
1 dmg ac
5 ac
2 tac

[trulpen]

@JDOW said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

Insane. What was your attacking power? 63?

Yes, 63. 30 hp.

Germans have 59. 31 hp.

[666]

@trulpen said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

@666 said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

@trulpen, well the dice gods have blessed me, 5 sub hits and then 12 hits after that…continue with max D, here. I tipped your BB and 4 CV’s after the sub attack

It’s not fair to roll like that! :( I’ve had too much of this, losing +90 % battles. Frustrating. I’ll likely roll -12 now as well.

Please post a manual by causalties. Makes it easier to assess.

As I understand it the causalties will be as follows for 12 hits:

3 sub
1 des
1 dmg ac
5 ac
2 tac

the american hit total was 17…5 sub and then 12, fr the five sub hits I tipped the BB & 4 CV’s, now you need to select 12 additional hits.

You have 3 sub, 2 DD, 4 damaged CV’s, 1 whole CV, 1 damaged BB, 1 Cr, 5 tac’s & 5 Fgt’s…

max D would be sinking 3 subs, sinking the 2 dd, tipping the whole CV, sinking the 5 CV’s and losing a tac or the CR.

considering dice like this makes you appreciate JDOW not losing a game all year long! Now that is crazy.

[JDOW]

It appears to me trulpen already considered the 5 subs hits? Otherwise he would have tipped the Bb. Looks like the additional hits after you damaged bb and 4 ac.

[666]

@JDOW said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

It appears to me trulpen already considered the 5 subs hits? Otherwise he would have tipped the Bb. Looks like the additional hits after you damaged bb and 4 ac.

Oh, yes, got it…not sure what I was looking at?!?

[trulpen]

And I was thinking to move those transports to sz115, but kind of forgot about it. Tough blow.

[666]

@trulpen made an error there thought i killed a dd and saved a damaged CV…will edit it, in a minute.

[666]

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 13

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 13

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 6 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 125 Sea Zone to Norway
        4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        3 carriers and 6 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers and 10 submarines moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 112 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from India to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima

    Combat - Americans
        Germans scrambles 3 units out of Western Germany to defend against the attack in 112 Sea Zone
        Strategic bombing raid in French Indo China
                AA fire in French Indo China : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in French Indo China rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in French Indo China causes 4 damage total. 
        Battle in Iwo Jima
        Battle in 112 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 3 bombers, 3 carriers, 3 destroyers, 7 fighters, 10 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 8 fighters, 3 submarines, 5 tactical_bombers and 3 transports
                Americans roll dice for 10 submarines in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 3.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans and 4 carriers owned by the Germans
                Americans roll dice for 3 bombers, 3 carriers, 3 destroyers, 7 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 12/14 hits, 7.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 8 fighters, 5 tactical_bombers and 3 transports in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 12/22 hits, 11.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans, 10 submarines owned by the Americans, 3 submarines owned by the Germans, 5 carriers owned by the Germans, 1 carrier owned by the Americans and 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Germans lost in 112 Sea Zone
            3 destroyers owned by the Americans and 2 carriers owned by the Americans retreated to 110 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking Iwo Jima from Japanese with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 8 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 52
            Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier and 10 submarines
            Casualties for Germans: 5 carriers, 1 destroyer, 3 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
        Battle in Norway
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Americans attack with 4 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
                Americans roll dice for 3 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
            Americans win, taking Norway from Germans, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany
        Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany
        Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany
            5 fighters owned by the Germans and 3 tactical_bombers owned by the Germans forced to land in Western Germany

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        3 bombers, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        2 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to Tunisia
        1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Iraq
        1 artillery moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to India
        4 carriers, 5 destroyers, 7 fighters and 3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 5 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands

    Place Units - Americans
        1 airfield placed in Iraq
        3 fighters placed in Iraq
        2 infantry placed in Eastern United States
        1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 fighters and 1 infantry placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 66 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 81 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 110 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 110 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
        EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Americans owned units to: carrier = 1
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 2.50
Americans : 6.33
AA fire in French Indo China : : -0.17

Territory Summary for Americans :

Iwo Jima : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Marshall Islands : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Marianas : 1 flag, 1 infantry
India : 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 marine
Wake Island : 1 airfield
Western United States : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
Hawaiian Islands : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 harbour
Midway : 1 airfield
Sumatra : 1 flag
41 Sea Zone : 1 flag
33 Sea Zone : 4 carriers, 5 destroyers, 7 fighters and 3 submarines
30 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 5 submarines
39 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 transport
10 Sea Zone : 1 transport
17 Sea Zone : 1 transport
Central United States : 1 factory_major
Eastern United States : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
United Kingdom : 3 bombers, 5 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Morocco : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
French Guiana : 1 flag
Tunisia : 1 mech_infantry
Norway : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Holland Belgium : 1 flag, 2 infantry
125 Sea Zone : 1 transport
Iraq : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
101 Sea Zone : 1 transport
Brazil : 1 flag
91 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 2 transports
110 Sea Zone : 3 carriers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 59 / 83
Russians : 6 / 17
Japanese : 62 / 91
Americans : 66 / 91
Chinese : 0 / 3
British : 36 / 42
UK_Pacific : 13 / 21
Italians : 12 / 7
ANZAC : 8 / 0
French : 3 / 0
Dutch : 0 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Savegame

[666]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 13

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 13

    Combat Move - British
        1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 124 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 124 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 6 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 fighter moved from India to Shan State

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[666]

@trulpen scramble out of W.Ger? I would think not but what do I know?

UK has 2 dd, 9 fgt and bmb, G has dd, cr & tipped BB

[trulpen]

I’ll check when I get home.

[666]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 13

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 13

    Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from West India: 1 marine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 79 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Iraq: 1 marine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 80 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 124 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 124 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 6 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 fighter moved from India to Shan State

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[666]

@trulpen use the below file, decided to NCM the CR all the way to z80 with the us marine…thanks.

[trulpen]

Np, although does not inflict upon the scramble choice. I’m honestly not sure about what to do there. I’ll have to contemplate it. 5-8 more IPC loss when scrambling. At the same time could be lucky and drag some British air down with it. Can of course be unlucky too.

[666]

@trulpen said in trulpen (X) vs 666 (A+8) BM3:

Np, although does not inflict upon the scramble choice. I’m honestly not sure about what to do there. I’ll have to contemplate it. 5-8 more IPC loss when scrambling. At the same time could be lucky and drag some British air down with it. Can of course be unlucky too.

yeah, that is why I prefer to ask. I would think @JDOW would say don’t scramble. The luftwaffe is very precious in his opinion…right JDOW?

Take your time.