Germany against the Netherlands; Japanese wiping the American navy

[Chris_Henry]

@KingKuba:

Chris, I saw the question you posted about Germany using the Lightning War ability against the Soviets on the global war game website. I actually have considered doing that, using the medium armor, mechanized infantry, and armored cars. I considered going to Russia’s major factories rather than Moscow so they can not build much except militia. Granted I would need to attack at least 3 different territories which is very difficult, but it is doable. Especially if you do not sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and take eastern Poland and maybe even Lithuania for yourself. Of course you leave the West exposed to France and the CW which sucks but it is just a fun thought. I have considered doing it because I want to see what happens and I want the Soviets and the West get involved in a war.

Interesting, that would also certainly be powerful. I’m a bit confused on if the USSR losses their IPP’s upon Moscow being taken. On the Global War site someone said they do not, but on another thread here someone said they do. Do you know? I haven’t found definitively anywhere.

But yes, it’s an interesting thought. I won’t rehash the whole thing here, but taking Moscow in the first turn of invasion would be a big blow, even with the Soviets being able to declare a second capital, and especially if they do in fact lose their IPP’s when Moscow falls. As you point out, it would make the West much more difficult. In my other posts I do point out that this is also situational, and a lot would have to fall in line well for the Axis. It would take some careful planning to pull it off, while simultaneously preparing in the West.

@KingKuba:

I have considered doing it because I want to see what happens and I want the Soviets and the West get involved in a war. Japan can even side with the Allies in order to attack the Soviets I think? Correct me if I wrong, but I could’ve sworn I read that somewhere.

I too would love to see the Comintern and Allies go to war some time. I wonder how often it happens in peoples’ games?

As to your Japan siding with the Allies question, I don’t believe that is possible, but I too could have missed something somewhere.

[Rank Carcass]

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=39893.msg1663107#msg1663107
This has a thread regarding Russia and allies DOW house rule options. We use it every game now.

EDIT to remove failed quote attempt

[A Former User]

The rule for any major power is if your capital is taken, you must give up all IPPs to the bank. Only in the case of France do the IPPs go to the conqueror if Paris is taken, obviously it will be Germany most of the time. But yeah I think I am actually going to try it the next time I play as German/Italy. Might consider getting the Japanese player in on it too if Siberia is looking pretty weak. If it fails then oh well :). Obviously, this requires preparation from the very beginning.

As for Japan being aligned with the Allies, I do not have specific proof that they can be aligned, but technically both Japan and the Allies can be at war with the Soviets at the same time. How they would handle that is up to the individual players.

[Chris_Henry]

@KingKuba:

The rule for any major power is if your capital is taken, you must give up all IPPs to the bank. Only in the case of France do the IPPs go to the conqueror if Paris is taken, obviously it will be Germany most of the time. But yeah I think I am actually going to try it the next time I play as German/Italy. Might consider getting the Japanese player in on it too if Siberia is looking pretty weak. If it fails then oh well :). Obviously, this requires preparation from the very beginning.

Thanks KingKuba, that’s what I thought as well re IPP’s and capitals falling. Someone saying the USSR kept theirs if Moscow fell is what confused me. I’ll be sure to correct them on that point as well!

I think it definitely could be something worth trying. Having Japan help could only strengthen the support. I can go back to the original thread on this topic as well to discuss there, but it would be interesting. While the USSR won’t be done in (with the ability to create a second capital, I mean), they will be severely hurt, and going a whole turn without being able to build troops. While it doesn’t knock them out, I do wonder if it essentially makes them no longer a HUGE threat. This would allow Axis forces to concentrate more power in the west, which would help at this juncture since you will have left it under strength to make this strategy work.

I agree, it’s most definitely a strategy that would have to have been thought out starting turn one. Again, it’s on the other thread, but since the blitz ability expires if not used, you’d have to act quickly to make it work.

@KingKuba:

As for Japan being aligned with the Allies, I do not have specific proof that they can be aligned, but technically both Japan and the Allies can be at war with the Soviets at the same time. How they would handle that is up to the individual players.

Exactly, I know it’s conceivable that they both are at war with the Comintern at the same time, but I think falls short of actual alliance. But you’re correct, that’s where individual players come in, they could essentially have a pact made that says they won’t fight each other and take out USSR. But that assumes they can trust the other to not back stab them as well!  :evil:

[A Former User]

Yeah, I would consider having Italy sacrificing the African front to help against France. This would force the French to have to respect the Italians and prevent them from throwing their weight behind attacking Germany. Italy could still gain VPs by taking French territories or even the Balkans if need be. I will try it out and let you know what happens!

Yeah the whole back-stabbing thing is something to watch out for definitely :wink:

[Munck]

@KingKuba:

The rule for any major power is if your capital is taken, you must give up all IPPs to the bank. Only in the case of France do the IPPs go to the conqueror if Paris is taken.

The last sentence about the case of France, can you provide a link or tell me where in the rules this is mentioned?

Thanks in advance  :-)

[Chris_Henry]

@Munck:

@KingKuba:

The rule for any major power is if your capital is taken, you must give up all IPPs to the bank. Only in the case of France do the IPPs go to the conqueror if Paris is taken.

The last sentence about the case of France, can you provide a link or tell me where in the rules this is mentioned?

Thanks in advance  :-)

I missed that as well. Just did a quick review of the rulebook and I do not see that as a rule. Only that defeated capitals lose all IPP’s.

[GeneralHandGrenade]

Page 66, under the title “Free France”.

“All IPP currently in the possession of the French player are surrendered to the Axis.”

I was surprised by that because I thought the money was supposed to go to the bank.

[Munck]

@GeneralHandGrenade:

Page 66, under the title “Free France”.

“All IPP currently in the possession of the French player are surrendered to the Axis.”

Fuck me. I’ve read that manual 500 times. How could I have missed that?

Thanks for clearing that up  :mrgreen:

[A Former User]

It is a good thing that Germany does get the French IPPs. Gives them some more units to place in preparation for Barbarossa. Speaking of Barbarossa I have a couple questions. I should probably start a new thread for this but oh well. Do you guys have Germany or Italy attack Yugoslavia and Greece if you attack them at all and how do you guys handle invading the Soviet Union? Do you guys only go for the Soviet territories that are apart of the Lebensraum victory objective, or do you look to conquer as much as possible?

[Chris_Henry]

@Munck:

@GeneralHandGrenade:

Page 66, under the title “Free France”.

“All IPP currently in the possession of the French player are surrendered to the Axis.”

���� me. I’ve read that manual 500 times. How could I have missed that?

Thanks for clearing that up  :mrgreen:

Same, thanks General! I went right to that section to and somehow glossed right over it!

[Munck]

@KingKuba:

It is a good thing that Germany does get the French IPPs. Gives them some more units to place in preparation for Barbarossa. Speaking of Barbarossa I have a couple questions. I should probably start a new thread for this but oh well. Do you guys have Germany or Italy attack Yugoslavia and Greece if you attack them at all and how do you guys handle invading the Soviet Union? Do you guys only go for the Soviet territories that are apart of the Lebensraum victory objective, or do you look to conquer as much as possible?

A great topic for a new thread  :-)

[thenorthman]

That is pretty much the only country that does surrender its IPC’s though right?  I swear I saw that no major powers surrender their IPC’s in the FAQ threads.

[A Former User]

Yep France is the only one who gives their IPPs to the conquering power. Other major powers just give it to the bank. Check an earlier post in this thread for the page number where this rule is. I forget who found it.

[thenorthman]

Thank you. I should of
Pursued the posts more and would of saw that.

Thank you though.