@FranceNeedsMorePower good point
Global War 1940 2nd ed.
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One thing I can say is that multiple VCs with various victory points is quite uneasy to catch up on the fly.
Four months earlier I was far more focused on this kind of issue. But now, it is kind of relearning all of it to provide a pertinent advice.
This was one good reason for a 1 VC= 1 Victory point basis.
Once this said, do you bring some kind of bonus IPCs or else for capturing an enemy’s VC?
Your first impression is that your actual VC rule turned Axis into a more defensive stance?
If the case, it means you need to put more points into harder to get Allies VC, maybe?
Is that why you would increase Calcutta to 2 points?
@SS:
@SS:
PTO Allies
2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
1 L. A.
1 Hong Kong
1 Sydney
**1 Calcutta **PTO Axis
3 Tokyo
2 Shanghai
2 Peking
1 Changkhun
2 SaigonATO Allies
3 Moscow
3 London
2 Washington
2 Leningrad
2 Stalingrad
1 Cairo
1 JohannsburgATO Axis
3 Berlin
3 Rome
3 Paris
1 Oslo
1 Milan
1 WarsawBaron, These are the numbers I’m going with now. I just need to figure out if 28 points or 30 points will work for a win. Axis and Allies have a total of 22 points each at start of game.
Maybe this should be change to a 10 points win, to reach 32 VC points?
So, instead of Cairo, going London or Moscow would work for a 10 points win.
Or, if taking Cairo and Stalingrad, Japan needs to get Hawaii (2 pts) so Axis reach 32 points (+10 VC points).
You can still revise to lower Axis to 20 points and keep Allies to 22 points. Keeping 30 VC points as the target goal.
For example:
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@Baron:
One thing I can say is that multiple VCs with various victory points is quite uneasy to catch up on the fly.
Four months earlier I was far more focused on this kind of issue. But now, it is kind of relearning all of it to provide a pertinent advice.
This was one good reason for a 1 VC= 1 Victory point basis.
Once this said, do you bring some kind of bonus IPCs or else for capturing an enemy’s VC?
NO
Your first impression is that your actual VC rule turned Axis into a more defensive stance?
YES
If the case, it means you need to put more points into harder to get Allies VC, maybe?
MAYBE
Is that why you would increase Calcutta to 2 points?
NO. Just a thought to force Japan to take it but I did want Axis not have to take it to win but that may change. Don’t know yet .
@SS:
@SS:
PTO Allies
2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
1 L. A.
1 Hong Kong
1 Sydney
**1 Calcutta **PTO Axis
3 Tokyo
2 Shanghai
2 Peking
1 Changkhun
2 SaigonATO Allies
3 Moscow
3 London
2 Washington
2 Lengingrad
2 Stalingrad
1 Cairo
1 JohannsburgATO Axis
3 Berlin
3 Rome
3 Paris
1 Oslo
1 Milan
1 WarsawBaron, These are the numbers I’m going with now. I just need to figure out if 28 points or 30 points will work for a win. Axis and Allies have a total of 22 points each at start of game.
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Maybe you have to write down the various combination of VCs you consider Axis must hold to win.
Then do the same for Allies, then you can revised numbers for VCs.If you find that Calcutta is too boring, boost Sydney instead.
I would give it 3 points since it is as important partner to Allies as Rome for Italy and Axis.
And, from logistic POV, it is much harder to capture than Calcutta.Maybe this can be incentive for Japan going all out in south Pacific?
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I changed 2 VC points. Have 2 options and am going with the 1st option.
1. Manilla from 2 to 1
Calcutta from 1 to 22. Lengingrad from 2 to 1
Calcutta from 1 to 2If Japan loses Manilla (1) then Italy would need to get Johannasburg (1) or Germany needs to get Moscow (3) or London (3) for win or if Japan loses Manilla (1) and Calcutta (2) then Germany would need Moscow (3) or London (3) for a win.
This will make the axis pretty much need to stay on offense and way less defense.
Granted Japan needs defense for Manilla but also offense for Calcutta and Germany would need the same thing for Milan and Moscow or London.Sydney has like 10 inf on setup so thats out of the question for changing from VCP1 to VCP2 or VCP3.
2 test games ago Japan didn’t get Calcutta so that will make things very interesting now for the axis. If allies get some king of landing in Normandy and VC Milon (1) that will make Italy abandon any thought of getting Johannsburg and have to help Germany defend in Europe and that will take a bunch of pressure off Russia.
Besides this game gives you also a good option of going for sea lion and maybe a early victory because if Germany gets London Japan would just need Calcutta. So I really like these changes now.
I think the 1st option change is best for now.
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Seems the simplest thing to do.
Does Sydney is often conquered in your game?
I thought it was harder to capture than Calcutta.
If I’m right, it means you scripting Japan toward India. An Australian South push would be much less interesting then.
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@Baron:
Seems the simplest thing to do.
YES
Does Sydney is often conquered in your game?
NEVER
I thought it was harder to capture than Calcutta.
Yes but I think Japan would be out of position to much and trying to take Sydney with 20 inf be impossible. FEC would get to huge on ground. But will keep it in mind. May have to reduce inf setup in Sydney.
If I’m right, it means you scripting Japan toward India. An Australian South push would be much less interesting then.
YES I believe Japan would lose the game going after Sydney.
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This makes me believe Sydney needs to be rewarding. High risk should bring high reward.
Instead of 22 points, Allies should rise to 24 points.
So, Sydney can rise to 3 points. (Minor Power Capital worth 3 points, same for Italy)
(Still keeping Calcutta switch with Manilla.)So, Sydney (3 points) would pay 1 more VC point than Calcutta (2 points)
Even if Allies rise to 24, probably you should keep a 30 VCs points to win.
IMO, if Axis is down to 22-6= 16 VCs points, they are probably loosing. -
OK Sydney changed from 1 to 3 in victory city points.
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Total VC points is now 46?
Axis 22?
Allies 24?First win to reach 30?
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Yes
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We are adding 6 things to a new test game this weekend. D12 die system
1. Germany and US can build Q-transports only. A1(ships only)D1(subs only) C8M2. All other transports A0D0C7M2
2. AAA gun can now attack and defend. A1 at plane first round only. D1 for each attacking plane. A1D1C5M1
3. Cruisers each get a AA shot first round only at a plane.
4. Tac bomber picks target on a 2 or less.
5. SBR’s we will be using d8 and d10 dice. Bomber - d8 H Bomber - d10
6. Sydney went from 1 point to 3 points. Manilla went from 2 points to 1 point. Calcutta went from 1 point to 2 points.
Allies start with 24 points and Axis start with 22 points. First one to 30 points and holds for a turn wins the game.Game now is the 23rd. I just updated this message. Emergency came up for a player.
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Waitin on group vote for transport rule.
Will see what they want.
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We decided to go with the transport getting a escape roll after a sub first strike and before rest of ship attacks per round.
I’ll be posting game results in a bit and with the 2 attacks with transports left alone results and how the escaping transport rule worked so far in game.
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Thanks,
I will like to read it. -
We started another test game last weekend. Got 2 turns in. Chart is for who has NA 's for this game. Germany not getting Sub interdiction is making the game a lot different for the allies big time.
With the victory city point adjustments gives the axis more options for a win.
Ichabod, The attacking AAA gun has not been used yet in game so far. We made all AAA guns in game on setup all A/D guns. Those
guns gave you Defense roll on SBR’s, Attacking planes, Naval and Air Ports. If there was a Navalport or Airport alone on a
territory then you have to buy the AAA gun to protect it on any SBR attacks only.Baron, The escaping transport rule every body liked a lot. Transports get a escape roll before attacker rolls for every round.
Except if subs have first strike it kills them first.3 German subs attacking UK 1 dest and 2 transports.
2 german subs (WP) attacking @5 FS Dice rolls 2 ger subs - rolled a 2, 11 1 hit
UK picks Dest as casualty. So now with the transports being alone on ships attacking ( 1 Ger Sub yet to attack )
lone transports they ea get a escape roll. 2 rolls = 2,12 1 transport gets to escape. Place on map.
1 Ger sub @5 rolls a 6 no hit 1 transport escapes and other has to stay for next round of combat.
3 Ger subs (WP) @5 FS roll a 4,9,12 1 hit 1 Transport casualty.4 German subs attacking UK fleet of 2 dest 2 transports
2 german subs (WP) @5 FS rolls a 6,7 miss
2 german subs @5 rolls a 2,12 1 hit
UK takes dest casualty
UK 2 dest roll a 3,4 2 hits
Ger removes 2 subs for casualties.
1 ger sub (WP) @5 FS rolls a 9 miss
1 ger sub @5 rolls a 2 1 hit
UK removes 1 dest left
UK dest rolls a 3 1 hit
Ger removes a sub.
1 ger sub @4 FS rolls a 2,10 1 hit
UK removes a transport
UK 1 left transport rolls a 8 for escape. Has to stay.
1 ger sub @4 FS rolls a 9 miss
UK transport rolls a 11 no escape
1 ger sub @4 FS rolls a 3 1 hit
UK removes transport for casualty.With a First strike sub the transport doesn’t get the escape roll until after sub rolls for FS attack. If no subs but ships only or planes only attacking lone transports then the transports get there escape roll before the attacker rolls. Gives 1 0r 2 transports at least surviving. So best to bring enough attacking pieces to wipe out the transports right away.
Will post all remaining transport battles if they happen during the game.
As far as the Stg Bomber rolling a d8 and a H Bomber rolling a d10 for SBR’s have not happened in game yet. But UK US licking there chops soon. Heard flak talk of getting close to Germany so they can bring escorts but use bombers for now on ground attacks and then all out air assault.
Other 2 pics of maps so far of game.
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Europe
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Pacific
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How did you manage to change your table aid for Victory points?
It is not a simple sheet of paper; it seems to depict Iwo Jima flag lifting combat in background.
It probably cost of few bucks when changing such rule?
I like this simple grid with cities name and number of points below.
There is a metallic sheet behind so magnet can but on these boxes, right? -
Baron, The escaping transport rule every body liked a lot. Transports get a escape roll before attacker rolls for every round.
Except if subs have first strike it kills them first.3 German subs attacking UK 1 dest and 2 transports.
2 german subs (WP) attacking @5 FS Dice rolls 2 ger subs - rolled a 2, 11 1 hit
UK picks Dest as casualty. So now with the transports being alone on ships attacking ( 1 Ger Sub yet to attack )
lone transports they ea get a escape roll. 2 rolls = 2,12 1 transport gets to escape. Place on map.
1 Ger sub @5 rolls a 6 no hit 1 transport escapes and other has to stay for next round of combat.
3 Ger subs (WP) @5 FS roll a 4,9,12 1 hit 1 Transport casualty.You seems to formulate two different rules.
First, TPs start to roll on first combat round to escape.Second, TPs need to have no more escorts to be able to roll for escape.
According to the more detailed naval, you seemed to have use the second one.
BTW, thanks for providing these detailed naval combat. I like to read how it went.Do I understand correctly?
Tell me if I’m guessing right about what is funny for TPs rule.
Attacker cannot loose Subs from TPs but defender still hoping to save a few from slaughter.
Defender is not just watching all TPs sunken in a second. But attacker is still wanting to make the hits because there is no automatic kill. -
@Baron:
Baron, The escaping transport rule every body liked a lot. Transports get a escape roll before attacker rolls for every round.
Except if subs have first strike it kills them first.3 German subs attacking UK 1 dest and 2 transports.
2 german subs (WP) attacking @5 FS Dice rolls 2 ger subs - rolled a 2, 11 1 hit
UK picks Dest as casualty. So now with the transports being alone on ships attacking ( 1 Ger Sub yet to attack )
lone transports they ea get a escape roll. 2 rolls = 2,12 1 transport gets to escape. Place on map.
1 Ger sub @5 rolls a 6 no hit 1 transport escapes and other has to stay for next round of combat.
3 Ger subs (WP) @5 FS roll a 4,9,12 1 hit 1 Transport casualty.You seems to formulate two different rules.
First, TPs start to roll on first combat round to escape.Yes The vote went before combat. But maybe still debatable. This may change to after attacker rolls before escape. Gives the transport just a bit more of a chance to escape.
Second, TPs need to have no more escorts to be able to roll for escape.
Yes. As long as transports are alone only with attacking ships or attacking planes alone too.
According to the more detailed naval, you seemed to have use the second one.
BTW, thanks for providing these detailed naval combat. I like to read how it went.Do I understand correctly?
Yes
Tell me if I’m guessing right about what is funny for TPs rule.
Attacker cannot loose Subs from TPs but defender still hoping to save a few from slaughter.
Defender is not just watching all TPs sunken in a second. But attacker is still wanting to make the hits because there is no automatic kill.Yes
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