Correct.
It’s nice to have, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not investing valuable IPC in maintaining it. (I’ll use it as fodder if I attack the allied navies though, if the allies are silly enough to let it live that long.)
German buys turn one
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If you go the route of medd fleet then you do this on G2. On G1 you perform the usual moves and take egypt strong. G2 builds require the BB and tranny in central medd, for for that one turn your dumping land units in lybia.
One reason why i go bomber/3 fighters and sub on UK BB is so that i kill it in one turn. I have a 33% chance (something close) that the sub is also part of the medd fleet, giving me 3 tranny,sub and bb and 6 hit fleet!
I could even use one rouge tranny as a ‘trouble maker’ and get madagaskar and other otherwise closed territories. Of course this depends on the Uk fleet and japan.
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So how bout these builds:
G1 CV in baltic, rest land
G2 3 trannys or 2 trannys in medd , rest land or 2 tranny in medd on G2 and 1 Tranny in Baltic G2
Baltic looks decent, the hole is covered, the sealion threat still exists, Africa is sound, you still get to shuck junk to russia, everything looks fine?
The only thing is a totally commited allied strong arm against one of your fleets… otherwise you got 2 axis lakes to swim laps in.
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You can build a tranny in the med if you also build a CV there.
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If you attack egyps and build 2 trannies in south europe those 2 trannies are under attack from a lone bomber.
Chances are they will not survive that at all and the bomber can land on gibraltar or causasus. Im not an expert on chances but i think it is a acceptable risk to have 1 bomb vs 2 trannies.
Given that this will not enable me to destroy the baltic fleet but with an AC there i cant destroy it anyway.
Building trannies on G1 in the med is basicaly not an option unless you take both gibraltar + caucassus and thus forgo egypt.
The build of those two trannys is on G2, when your BB and transport have allready helped take egypt and now they stay in central medd and dump land units and protect those 2 trannys for one turn before moving on the better things on G3.
Again the CV is going in Baltic on turn one
the new trannys and the balance of german fleet stays one turn together. For this you do not need to worry about gibrater. Egypt was taken on G1 with 2 tanks and 1 infantry still remaining and backed up with 1 art and 1 inf moved over from algeria, plus the 2 more land units dumped in africa from southern europe. -
The only problem with that is that often on G2 I have other things for the med fleet to do - hit Ukraine, TJ, Cau or retake Egypt, which take it away from that seazone. So they are not around to babysit the new tranny.
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Yes i suppose this may be an issue, but if you wait one turn instead of landing 2 units you can now land 6. This will give those ideas alot more punch in the long run.
caucasus would fall quickly if you got 6 infantry coming over every turn. Plus africa is a nice german backyard.
not waiting for one turn to get those 2 additional transports is like sitting in a chair before the paint drys.
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One other issue is simply production - can Germany fill 4 transports in the baltic and 3 transports in the Med every round? That’s 14 Inf (42 IPCs), leaving not much for heavier stuff. And is it efficient to be dividing your pressure between Karelia and Caucasus?
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@froodster:
One other issue is simply production - can Germany fill 4 transports in the baltic and 3 transports in the Med every round? That’s 14 Inf (42 IPCs), leaving not much for heavier stuff. And is it efficient to be dividing your pressure between Karelia and Caucasus?
Heavier stuff???
How about just STUFF… Period.
Yes that’s alot of transport capability… and I know you won’t use it all in most cases, but can you afford to build less/few ground units on G1 and then turn around and take even more OUT if europe on the following turns?
That’s the smell of an Allied blood letting tickling my nose…
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@Imperious:
Yes i suppose this may be an issue, but if you wait one turn instead of landing 2 units you can now land 6.
But if you don’t retake Egypt on G2 then you are potentially opening the suez for the british to come to the med on B3 (depending on their location). This could also create a problem.
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Well with those fleets the only immediate European landing zone for the allies is WE.
But yeah, 7 trns is too many for Germany to keep supplied. So if Germany were to build both fleets, I’d do 2 TRN Baltic, 1 TRN 1 CV Med.
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One other issue is simply production - can Germany fill 4 transports in the baltic and 3 transports in the Med every round? That’s 14 Inf (42 IPCs), leaving not much for heavier stuff. And is it efficient to be dividing your pressure between Karelia and Caucasus?
OK the total investment is 40 IPC= 1 carrier and 3 transports total. In the baltic you will have 1 transport and 1 carrier more and in the medd you got 2 transports more by G2.
So the total is 5 transports which is 10 land pieces and not 14. You got 4 each turn landing in russia via baltic
and 6 landing from medd to africa/russia.Also if UK decides to go hard against egypt with a fighter and 3 men against 2 tanks and and one infantry. I would think that would be an exchange and also India is totally weak. The german followup on G3 would be overwhelming beyond any hope. Plus on G2 the germans still have an infantry and artillery moved on turn G1 from algeria to lybia. The planes ans these 2 units would do the job IMO.
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Sorry, for some reason I was thinking you’d build 2 TRN in the Med and 3 in the Baltic.
Personally I’d rather put the AC in the Med though. Stay alive longer and enable the BB to be elsewhere when the TRN is built, and provides more fighter range into Africa.
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Yes thats good. But the other idea is a balanced defensive fleet
in the baltic you got 1 cv, 2 fighters, 2 subs, 2 tranny, 1 destroyer= 20 points/8 hits ( except only 16 of these can hit planes)
in the medd you may have a BB, 3 tranny, and possible sub= 13 points/ 8 hits ( except that 11 of these can hit planes)
both fleets have 8 hits so in a way its balanced. If you dont build a CV in baltic that fleet is gonna die real soon.
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Well I feel like I’ve learned a lot in this little back and forth. I’ll be watching that game of JSP’s with interest, with the 2 AC 1 TRN build- not sure what I’ll do (and wouldn’t say anyway with another tournament game about to start).
By the way, you seem to refer to TRN as AP - what’s that from?
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USN ship abbreviations
AP = Transport
http://www.valoratsea.com/shipdes.htm
Mind, it would probably be more accurate to describe the “Transport” in the game as a APA or AKA.
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I’d put the AC in the med as well Frood. I think even with the AC in the Baltic, your Baltic fleet will not last beyond B3…if that long. Unless you are prepared to sink even more into your navy.
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USN ship abbreviations
AP = Transport
http://www.valoratsea.com/shipdes.htm
Mind, it would probably be more accurate to describe the “Transport” in the game as a APA or AKA.
Thank you sweet duck.
I was hoping somebody would catch on to that.
But AKA is also something else.
BB=battleship
CA= cruiser
DD=destroyer
SS=sub
CV=carrier
AP= transportYou can go hardcore
CL= light cruiser
DE=destroyer escort
CVL=light carrier
CE= carrier escort
BBAV= battleship/ carrier hybrid ( the two japanese battleships that were retrofitted with catapult seaplanes following Midway)
BBB= Dreadnought
BC=battlecruiser -
BEst German buy is a nuke :evil:
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Exto its nice to see you post like that… good ol’ Exto!
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@AJGundam:
In my game vs Jsp he did a German opening of 2 ACs + 1 Trn and placed 1 AC in Baltic and 1 AC + 1 Trn in Med. Not far into the game but it will probably be interesting. Not far into the game but I will like to see how he intends to use it.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=8784.0This is a strategy I’ve been wanting to try, but only in conjunction with a Russian opening of a WR attack only. Â The calculation is that with the bulk of German land forces in the East still intact, a G1 all Navy buy would be viable. Â We will see if that turns out to be true.
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